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Malzahar balance

WEGIGABYTE JOKER··9 votes·679 views

Just wanna ask what you guys think Before Rito rework Malz he was a high winrate mage with nuke skills and decent cc, having longer cd and higher dmg makes practicing malz super rewarding. Now after the rework rito somehow made malz into a hot support and nerfed him so much that it went from a 24/7 on ban list champion to a 'who the f still bans malz' champion. And old malz players quit playing him mid coz his ult does no dmg:) I get the ult cd is shorter , but lets look at Q and E, malz Q is one of the most scary skill in this game if you know how to use it. 3s silence was so cool and satisfying if you hit it, but now, you can just spam it like fuck it if I hit it ima fight if not i back off and wait for 5s I Q again, wheres the skill? It might be me myself thinking the malz rework makes skilled malz player disappointed , but look at rank games who plays malz mid anymore?

Other champions like Yorick, Sion. same story, Yorick was a super annoying and skillful top laner to pick, you can say his poke is brainless but it's also hard for him to carry if he has no understanding of this game and his champion. Sion was a popular mid laner. Now? Idk, an off-meta Korean challenger only support? I played like 300 rank games already this season and I've only seen Sion top for like 3 times .

I mean comon, if you really wanna make malz a support or something and changing his gameplay style is it possible you also save the old malz skills and stuff I can choose whether I would use the new malz or old one? Or as a malz main I should just uninstall after you made malz into a support.

I might sound mad but I'm just kinda upset.item 3070

11 Comments

WEGIGABYTE JOKER2 votes

Rito nerfing malz armor making him so hard laning against melee champions , Fizz Zed , and TALON. You know how easy Talon can ruin your lane? Hes just gonna walk on your face and you die. 0 counter play, 0 f given, 0 skill. I mean when Rito nerfing malz coz sup malz OP, did you guys actually even discussed how this nerf might influence mid malz?

Eedat2 votes

Yorick rework was fine. Old Yorick had to be intentionally kept weak because of his zero skillcap harass ghouls that would chase you all the way back to your tower.

I have no idea what you're talking about with Sion. Easy in the top 3 best reworks. If not the #1 spot itself.

Malz they messed up. He needs some drastic changes. However, he was reworked for very good reasons. His old kit consisted of pressing E on someone then walking away while they take a ton of damage. This is the exact same playstyle and reason Zilean got reworked for. Until he was 6 then it just became mash all your buttons on a target and 100-0 them easily.

Beacon Academy1 votes

Despite Malzahar rarely if ever being banned in ranked.

Despite Malzahar never being complained about en mass on the boards.

Despite Malzahar having only one nerf to his name in 5-6 years only because Deathfire Touch came out.

Despite Malzahar Mains not asking for a rework.

They reworked Malz because they needed immobile mages for the MYMU...

They only had to put out reasons people who didn't play Malzahar or rarely ever saw Malzahar would agree with for something that didn't need to happen.

Erockandroll2 votes

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Malz they messed up. He needs some drastic changes. However, he was reworked for very good reasons. His old kit consisted of pressing E on someone then walking away while they take a ton of damage. This is the exact same playstyle and reason Zilean got reworked for. Until he was 6 then it just became mash all your buttons on a target and 100-0 them easily.

If he really did need those Drastic changes, he probably should have been on a full VGU update, and not the roster update. That may have been Riot's first mistake with Malz. Of coarse, because Riot had their reasons to rework him, their not likely just going to revert him.

Personally, putting his voidlings on a regular spell I don't think was the issue. However the swarm mechanic is too "all or nothing" And now that Riot has made the voidling even more fragile, they are more likely to just flat out die before the swarm can even build. Personally, They should just remove the swarm mechanic, but allow Malz to recharge the voidling summon more quickly. It would allow him to replenish his voidlings more reliably.

Derfel2 votes

I'm actually getting sick of hearing how Malzahar was unhealthy when abominations like Fiora andYasuo and even fuckers like Ahri and LeeSin and Ivern and Lulu and item 3107 and item 3190 are in the game, and that's totally why he was reworked.

No, he was reworked because Riot has too many busy body employees with nothing better to do than to fuck around with low playrate champions to maybe bait fotm kids into spending money on Malz skins before they have to nerf him into oblivion because the original rework wasn't well thought out and optimistically it was never meant to be (the other side is maybe Riot really is this retarded).

What do I think about Malzahar's balance? I think Riot should revert the rework but I'm not a retard so when Meddler tells me "we want Malzahar back mid" all that goes through my mind is HE ALREADY WAS A MID YOU SIMPLE FUCK, YOU MADE HIM INTO A SUPPORT IN THE FIRST PLACE WTF DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT HIM TO BE A DECENT MID AGAIN. Riot will do whatever the fuck Riot feels like no point even talking about it when practically all advice from every rework since the dawn of time has been ignored.

Mataka Tek1 votes

It seems Riot does not understand that once the enemy midlaner purchases QSS... its game over for any Malzahar player. 1 Auto breaks the shield. They can turret dive, even with the threat of the Malz ult. Press QSS... dead malz.

FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votes

I typically am a huge fan of the reworks. But Malz was ruined. He was a blast to play pre-rework. His old w made him good vs tanks. He was a fun niche top pick for me. I loved playing him. Then they released the atrocity that is his rework, and I hate it. I know he was OP, but he still wasn't fun. I just want old Malz back.

Hawckey1 votes

Who genuinely enjoys playing Malz anyway?

Arkale2 votes

I did

deadlychuck2 votes

The reworked version removed all the skill and gated all of his power behind internal mechanics of the kit that happened automatically if you were just playing him in the correct pattern.

The old malz was interesting because his skills were independently strong, but also had some synergy between each other. Simply put the reworked turned him into a boring ass champion for any player who had actually invested the time to get good at malzahar, by making his power easily available to anyone who can play easy mode on guitar hero.

Beacon Academy1 votes

You called?

Although you asked this question about a year late.

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