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Pandette··11 votes·1,487 views

Please for the love of god riot, just start new accounts off at bronze 5 and have them win / lose up the elo tree from there. Stop placing them in silver & having them ruin everyone's game. If you system is actually about placing people fairly, then they would start at the bottom and work their way up. If they deserved the rank of silver, they would win all their game, if they didn't they would be in bronze. Starting new accounts at silver is bad for three reasons:

  • You ruin everyone who is silver's experience because then they aren't ACTUALLY playing against people their rank

  • You create a disproportionate amount of games that aren't based on skill, and going through low silver is actually about getting lucky.

  • Most people who are higher elo want to start bronze 5 anyway. Tons of people who are high elo want to play their way from b5 to plat for their twitch streams, and if they are actually plat, they will be out of bronze in placements by winning all 10 games.

It's really horrible to get all the way to silver from bronze and then be stuck in a game of chance where every game is a gamble on if i will win or lose solely based on teammates who it is better if they simply AFKd (IE: I just got out of a game where a fiddle had 18 farm at 20 minutes, was 4 levels behind, and fed the entire game every time he 'ganked' which means he feared them, drained for 2 seconds, and ran away.)

This type of thing is why i like playing in bronze to begin with because when i play in bronze i don't have as high as risk playing a game of 'will i be stuck with the new player who can't even play the role they picked ?'

Just because every other game starts ppl at mid - low range doesn't mean its healthy for league. Esp since league is a 20 minutes to 60 minute game and it ruins people's experience. Also it's infuriating that new players can lose 8/10 games and be placed silver when they actually don't know how to play. Stuff like that is just not a true gauge of skill.

So seriously, just start them at bronze 5 and let the ranking system work by modifying it from bronze 5. If you insist on leaving them in silver, you shouldn't punish everyone in the game just because they got the short end of the stick.

And besides that, you have remakes right ? The new players who just decide they wanna play ranked and don't know how to play are WORSE than a 4 person game. Why would you make a remake feature if you are also going to make it so that we are still stuck with these people who may not be intentionally feeding but they really ARE feeding and their skill is so bad, its not different from intentional feed.

I don't blame the new players, they don't get a choice but to play in ranked and they don't get the option to be a lower bronze or higher silver when they start. I blame your system which is actually ruining the overall experience. I am FINE losing if everyone is my elo, but seeing someone who is unranked, outright says they don't know how to play a role, says they are new, and then feeds the entire game and can't even maintain the same level as the other players. Thats when it is infuriating. They don't even have a chance to do well & everyone wants to know their placement in ranked.

Stop punishing your 'lower ranking' players just because we aren't LCS. We pay for stuff in the game and want to play it fair and equally just as much as your plat, diamond, and challenger players.

16 Comments

NiceTryVi7 votes

The reason they have mid silver MMR is because, wait for it, that is where the average skill level is. If you're S4 right now, you are an average league player. You cant assume a player just starting ranked is the worst league player ever, so it is only fair that they are given the MMR of the average player. Then if they win or lose their games, they are placed accordingly. You cant just start everyone at the bottom and expect games to still be fun or fair.

Martial Nox2 votes

I wholeheartedly disagree with that. The average player may be s2 but the average player probably has a lot more games under their belt than a fresh level 30. On my main (S2) if I see someone in one of my games doing something exceptionally stupid 9/10 times its someone with less than 20 ranked games. Hell I'm getting 1-2 a game at this point. Had a nunu top yesterday that had COTC. I'm pretty damned sure that nunu can't even proc that. Guy had 20 ranked games total with a 25% winrate over 20 or so games. Brought COTC on every champ because according to him "That shield is op as hell". He also spent a while bitching that leona is overpowered. Same game had a fresh unranked lucian that was rushing a lethality build but couldn't even tell me what that stat did. He also didn't understand the idea behind last hitting. Would just straight AA bot lane with no attempt to actually last hit the minions for the gold then run off looking for a champ to fight. Guy had 4 ranked games. All losses. All at least 10 deaths. The average player in the game may be mid silver but I do not think the average player starting ranked is anywhere near that.

NiceTryVi1 votes

Ok, but what about the guy that actually knows what he is doing. Law of Averages states that for ever guy that is as shitty as those guys, you're gonna have people who are competent and know what they are doing. You may disagree with what I said, but the cool thing about facts is they don't require people to agree with them for them to be true. I saw stupid people in my games in mid-high gold last season, but stupid people are everywhere. The fact remains that you can't shaft every new player just because a few are stupid.

Martial Nox1 votes

Then he would actually do well in placements and end up in S2. I just think its poor design when someone that was S1 last season goes 5-5 in placements and is put in low bronze but the fresh level 30 that goes 4-6 or 3-7 gets mid silver. If you are new to ranked and only manage 3 wins in placements you probably aren't playing at S2 level yet.

NiceTryVi1 votes

i was mid gold last season and got placed S5. I am not happy about it either. But you can't put every new player in the bottom of bronze with the morons that sunk themselves down there just because you wanted more company, whether they were good or not.

Covert Ops Gnar5 votes

Silvers = new players and kindergarden students

You don't think having a Diamond+ starting in bronze 5 would be very fun for everybody else for the next 50+ games as they climb?

Martial Nox1 votes

True. Maybe just start fresh accounts lower if you don't ace your placements. Get 9-1 in placements get put in s1. Get 4-6 and you go into bronze. Going 5-5 in placements on a fresh account shouldn't be s2-3.

NiceTryVi1 votes

Going 5-5 is S3 because that is about average.

duckarp1 votes

Because having a newbie in Silver and waiting till they drop 50+ games to their division IS fun for everyone? Because they WILL drop, it's like playing 4v5.

King LeBong2 votes

You do understand that Riot designed it that way as to consider everyone at the beginning of their ranked experience an average League player right? You don't just throw every account into the worst of the worst elo just because they are a newer player/ on a new account.

Martial Nox1 votes

I really don't think most of the people first starting ranked are the "average player". The average skilled player probably has significantly more games under their belt than a fresh level 30. With the way placements work you can have no clue what you are doing and get carried to a 4-6 record. Congrats you are now in S3 games feeding 10 deaths until the system drops you. It may not have a huge effect on the overall matchmaker but boy is it annoying when you get one of those in your games. I don't think the problem is that new players CAN end up in silver 2-3 its that you can basically go 3-7 4-6 and end up there. With just a little bit of luck you can get carried to a record like that in placements and end up in s3 when you should be B4. Meanwhile an S1 from last season that goes 5-5 ends up in bronze 3. That is broken.

kristopher2051 votes

I absolutely agree with you. There's no damn way how if you go 5/5 on an unranked account, you can get placed At Silver 2. Honestly, I can stand the low silvers and high bronze on my team that just FEED. SO. DAMN. HARD.

It's really tilting so please move it down.

NiceTryVi1 votes

Dude, you're B3 with a 42% winrate. You take ghost flash on everybody. Here is a tip. Ignite and Exhaust are other summoner spells that are very effective.

kristopher2051 votes

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Dude, you're B3 with a 42% winrate. You take ghost flash on everybody. Here is a tip. Ignite and Exhaust are other summoner spells that are very effective.

I mostly play malzahar and veigar mid. Why would ignite be needed at all? Malzahar and veigar and INSANE burst mages. Taking ignite would be useless, as ghost would be helpful for securing a kill or running away at low HP.

NiceTryVi1 votes

If they are insane burst mages, why do you need to chase them down? And I notice you ignored my suggestion of exhaust completely, funny bout that. Maybe try taking exhaust or barrier, maybe you will win more. Just because you see it in the LCS doesn't mean it is always good.

DemainaNyx1 votes

Agreed.

Or, at the very least, match people with similar number of games together if they have below a certain number of games. If someone has played 200 games (ranked or normal, though preferably ranked), they probably have a better understanding of certain things than someone with 10 games, excluding smurfs obviously. Like maybe if you have less than 50 cumulative ranked games played, you can only play with other people with less than 50 cumulative ranked games played in the same MMR bracket.

Had a game where my support kept walking into the Annie support when she had stun up, not using an ability or anything as she walked up. Annie started to just 1 shot my team cause she had something like 26 kills, 15 or so from just my support who was building the suggested items without knowing what they actually did. Checked afterwards, it was my supports first placement and they didn't have many games in their match history. Annie then mentioned afterwards she was a plat smurf. Ok, can't stop that, but it's kinda BS that me and 3 other teammates had a brand new player who didn't get basic concepts like people saying "stop split pushing", "just stay with the team", and "stop trying to fight Annie." Worst part is someone complained they were in their promos (might be lying, didn't check). But still, why match a person doing their first placement with someone in promos? That just seems needlessly unfair for the person in promos.

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