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Nightshade Rose·May 8, 2017·1 votes·363 views

When is adc meta coming?

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JoxcabMay 10, 20172 votes

what a joke

MysterQMay 8, 20171 votes

Vayne Let's fight at 40.

Nightshade RoseMay 8, 20171 votes

Try not to feed until forty, because enemy team has (insert assasin here) whoes score is 8/0 at 5 min and (insert meta jngler here) when they're both comming in for that sweet, fresh, right out of oven gold. Besides vayne is as good as her support and enemy teams inteligence(the lower inteligence the more powerful she is)

MysterQMay 8, 20171 votes

It is a joke. 40 minutes doesn't exist anymore.

Nightshade RoseMay 8, 20171 votes

it does on reare ocations 50 min never happens though

GankedByWindowsMay 8, 20171 votes

How do you define an "adc meta"? Even when they were awful (jhin/Varus lethality era), they're still in almost every game.

Nightshade RoseMay 9, 20171 votes

When marksmen aren't killed by literaly everyone. Including supports, or underfed assassins, or full attack speed master yi with 2 daggers.

GankedByWindowsMay 9, 20171 votes

You can already do this. Just build more bruiser-ish rather than full glass cannon. You just got a new GA that is really good for you as well.

If you want to do the same damage and be tankier, that is ridiculously OP. ADCs currently do a LOT of damage in exchange for no survivability. There was a time where ADCs could easily build 1-2 tank items. It took a long time to kill anything. ADCs are in a decent spot where they are. If you're having trouble being blown up, position better and maybe buy a GA/QSS/BT.

Nightshade RoseMay 10, 20171 votes

Yes new GA is a nice addition to marksmens builds, but lets be real GA only really works if after your death your teams protects you while you're ressurecting or if enemy team gets destroyed while they were focusing you, otherwise you get killed again after ressurection. Ofcourse thats OP tanky and damage, but we already have those as juggernauts, so i don't see problem here. Especialy when you get killed in less then a second by most assassins, i get it thats their job, but how do you counterplay opponent that kills you in a fraction of a second? Most assassins have good escapes so even if you're in the middle of your team surounded by your teammates from all 4 sides, a decent assassin can blow you up and get away, eather using spellshield or invisibility or cloning or dash/jump techniqes. I mean as an adc main i found it ironic when if you win game by carrying hard what you get from enemy team is this "Noob enemy adc, your support carried you, you're just trash." and i'm like what do you expect him to do then?! To just stand there and watch? Its his job to protect his teammates and in bottom theres only 2 of us. But if i'm beeing honest all i want for adc's to get is eather zhonya that benefits marksmen role(I would've liked it more then new GA) or item that gives a dash, like protobelt for mages. So less mobile Marksmen had somesort of escape Jinx Jhin MissFortune Teemo etc. And i don't know ecsact numbers, but i think you survive more by using zhonya then GA.

GankedByWindowsMay 10, 20171 votes

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Yes new GA is a nice addition to marksmens builds, but lets be real GA only really works if after your death your teams protects you while you're ressurecting or if enemy team gets destroyed while they were focusing you, otherwise you get killed again after >ressurection. Ofcourse thats OP tanky and damage, but we already have those as juggernauts, so i don't see problem here

The difference is range and mobility. Juggernauts have neither and are easily kited.

Especialy when you get killed in less then a second by most assassins, i get it thats their job, but how do you counterplay opponent >that kills you in a fraction of a second?

GA and positioning. You have a person on your team whose sole purpose is keeping you alive. You keep yourself alive by making going after you suicide.

Most assassins have good escapes so even if you're in the middle of your team surounded by your teammates from all 4 >sides, a decent assassin can blow you up and get away, eather using spellshield or invisibility or cloning or dash/jump techniqes.

This is exaggerating quite a bit. If they're jumping into your ENTIRE team, they definitely do not have the time to kill you AND get out without catching one form of CC.

I mean as an adc main i found it ironic when if you win game by carrying hard what you get from enemy team is this "Noob enemy adc, your support carried you, you're just trash." and i'm like what do you expect him to do then?! To just >stand there and watch? Its his job to protect his teammates and in bottom theres only 2 of us.

This one is simple. Put no stock in what the enemy team says ever.

But if i'm beeing honest all i want for adc's to get is eather zhonya that benefits marksmen role(I would've liked >it more then new GA) or item that gives a dash, like protobelt for mages.

Both wouldn't solve your problem. Especially considering what you think about GA. Its the same thing isn't it? You're just choosing to CC yourself entirely instead of being able to do damage while going down. Protobelt is a very short range dash, so it really doesn't solve much. Better positioning is much better. ADCs likely wouldn't buy it because they need to go damage. If they;re getting a useful dash, the offensive stats won't be very good (See GA stats).

So less mobile Marksmen had somesort of escape etc. And i >don't know ecsact numbers, but i think you survive more by using zhonya then GA.

I don't know either, but it doesn't matter. Its not a good comparison. People using them are different classes of champions fighting at different ranges. Nothing about it is comparible

Nightshade RoseMay 10, 20171 votes

Both wouldn't solve your problem. Especially considering what you think about GA. Its the same thing isn't it? You're just choosing to CC yourself entirely instead of being able to do damage while going down. Protobelt is a very short range dash, so it really doesn't solve much. Better positioning is much better. ADCs likely wouldn't buy it because they need to go damage. If they;re getting a useful dash, the offensive stats won't be very good (See GA stats).

Sure it has a short range ontop of some aoe damage, but if they'd too away that damage and made it a dash only +stats like lifesteal or attack speed with critchace it be nice. It give a little more survivability to marksmen because those who don't have means of escape now they'd have one.

I don't know either, but it doesn't matter. Its not a good comparison. People using them are different classes of champions fighting at different ranges. Nothing about it is comparible

Sure, but one is getting focused and other one is making itself to be focused, both are quite the target of enemy.

The difference is range and mobility. Juggernauts have neither and are easily kited.

range sure, mobility eh i guess Garen has that Q movespeed and fiora her dashes, Skarner movespeed aswell, and darius can catch you out with his E, while marksmen that i mentioned before have movespeed only when sertain conditions are met, exept for teemo.

GA and positioning. You have a person on your team whose sole purpose is keeping you alive. You keep yourself alive by making going after you suicide.

Sure a decent support makes diffrence between life and death, but theres no putting shield or heals on you or even trying to CC the target if someone like rengar or zed of talon can 1 shot you in fraction of a second while having means of escape.

This is exaggerating quite a bit. If they're jumping into your ENTIRE team, they definitely do not have the time to kill you AND get out without catching one form of CC.

Sure they have. Talon jumps on you, 1 shots you, and parkours while invisible. Zed press R once - kill that target, press R twice - get back to safety. Rengar Jump kill adc, entire team joins in kill mage and keep killing. As noc is trickier, Go in with R kill target and MOSTLIKELY survive by using your shield.

Please note that its not 1v5 scenario, its a regular teamfight scenario, so assassins team is probably close.

I mean as an adc main i found it ironic when if you win game by carrying hard what you get from enemy team is this "Noob enemy adc, your support carried you, you're just trash." and i'm like what do you expect him to do then?! To just >stand there and watch? Its his job to protect his teammates and in bottom theres only 2 of us. This one is simple. Put no stock in what the enemy team says ever.

I know that, but its IRONIC that people think marksmen are useless because they have supports to "carry" them.

GankedByWindowsMay 10, 20171 votes

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Sure it has a short range ontop of some aoe damage, but if they'd too away that damage and made it a dash only +stats like lifesteal or attack speed with critchace it be nice. It give a little more survivability to marksmen because those who don't have means of escape now they'd have one.

Sure if they overload it and give it a bunch of stats AND the passive it would be good. That wasn't the point though. They won't and can't give it both good stats and a good passive because that just makes it busted. That is why GA doesn't have great stats, because it has a great passive.

Sure, but one is getting focused and other one is making itself to be focused, both are quite the target of enemy.

I'm not really sure what you mean here.

range sure, mobility eh i guess Garen has that Q movespeed and fiora her dashes, Skarner movespeed aswell, and darius can catch you out with his E, while marksmen that i mentioned before have movespeed only when sertain conditions are met, exept for teemo.

Fiora is a skirmisher. Garen's Q movespeed often isn't enough to get to ranged characters, especially because he is literally just running at them and is prone to CC/zoning abilities. Skarner is limited to his Spires if he wants to catch ranged champions and again, its just running at them. Darius has to already be in range to get a pick with his E.

Those specific marksman that you listed are conditional. Lucian, Ezreal, Tristana, and Caitlyn all have some movement ability on demand.

Sure a decent support makes diffrence between life and death, but theres no putting shield or heals on you or even trying to CC the target if someone like rengar or zed of talon can 1 shot you in fraction of a second while having means of escape.

Yes there is. Especially on something like Rengar or Zed where you can see them coming. Rengar either has to use his ult which gives a huge warning, and Zed has to use his shadows so you know its coming (plus often he has to use his ult to actually 100-0 you, so there is a delay as well.) Talon has to burn his "escape" to get in unless you're already super low. But if you're super low, any class of champion would kill you.

Sure they have. Talon jumps on you, 1 shots you, and parkours while invisible. Zed press R once - kill that target, press R twice - get back to safety. Rengar Jump kill adc, entire team joins in kill mage and keep killing. As noc is trickier, Go in with R kill target and MOSTLIKELY survive by using your shield.

If Talon is killing you WITHOUT his ultimate from full, he is insanely fed AND you got no assistance at all. That isn't a regular scenario. Zed has a snapback time where he is locked out of hitting R again. If he got you 1v1 you absolutely should die to him. However, if you're with your team he is definitely dying if he is diving into 5. There is no way that nobody is going to CC him or damage him (including yourself if you play something like Ashe), during the time the animation is playing plus the half a second he is stuck there and can't hit R again. Nocturne isn't usually built assassin because he has no escape at all. That one time spell shield isn't going to save a full glass cannon in the middle of 5 people. Especially since you can pop it yourself so your teammates can CC him.