Why am I forced to learn a secondary role?

Pax au Telemanus·Oct 4, 2018·2 votes·1,581 views

Here’s the thing. I love playing jungle. So much. I hate playing in lane. The game is so different from jungle to lane. Now I’ve recently been diamond and ran into Riot Roku. In game he said I should stick to other game modes if I can’t play secondary... what? I love jungle, I play jungle. I would glady wait an extra 5-16 minutes if it meant I got my role and didn’t have to off role against someone who was on their main role. I’ve lost so much LP just because I had to top lane. Sure the argument exist that if your in the top 1% you should be able to play multiple roles but why? If I only want to jungle I believe I should be granted that. It’s like putting Halo 2 into an Xbox and all of a sudden I’m in a call of duty game. It’s so different. I want to climb and being held back. I’m a teacher and have a wife with a baby on the way and I do not want to spend an extra so many hours learning a new role when the one I play I’m good at and what I queue up for. Help.

11 Comments

RalanrOct 4, 20189 votes

God you would have hated pick order.

Edit: but realistically, it’s best to be decent at every role and maybe have 3 champions for each role. If you want to climb, you need to branch out as well as specialize.

SerevasOct 4, 20182 votes

Pick order could be really painful. ADC has always been my worst role, and the games where I got stuck with it were pretty much pure suffering. I feel like playing through that and having the mentality of playing multiple things did make me a better overall player for having had to learn and understand the other roles.

sneakydougOct 4, 20182 votes

Teach your wife to support and your baby to ADC. Boom. With the amount of top and mid players, you’ll always land jungle.

Pax au TelemanusOct 5, 20181 votes

The point is why can I not have one role I climb on? I’ve chosen to spend my time mastering one role and I’m not being rewarded for it because of the amount of times I have to go to top lane.

RalanrOct 5, 20184 votes

Because that’s not how it works.

Climbing isn’t about being the best in one role, despite how much it seems so. Climbing is about improving as a player. Facing and overcoming challenges you might not be good at.

Having a specialty is encouraged, but if you rely too much on it then you’re gonna struggle a lot more.

AptestOct 5, 20181 votes

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The point is why can I not have one role I climb on? I’ve chosen to spend my time mastering one role and I’m not being rewarded for it because of the amount of times I have to go to top lane.

I cant speak to whether it is better for you or for the game to pick 1 role over 2. Certainly that would be a popular preference.

However given that, when people have their choice of role, the less popular roles are not picked sufficiently, some quantity of enforced roles must exist.

Would you prefer some amount of this forced roles to exist in the shape of a secondary role you must select, or in the shape of a much higher frequency of being auto-filled?

i think these are your options. What is better?

Unker139Oct 5, 20181 votes

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The point is why can I not have one role I climb on? I’ve chosen to spend my time mastering one role and I’m not being rewarded for it because of the amount of times I have to go to top lane.

It's a quality of life for the whole game community. You would be willing to wait an extra 5-16 mins to get your role but not everyone want to or can...and how long is ok. I've heard that before secondary roles there that wait times were pushing 30 mins. I also have a family and when I play, I usually have a hour. 15 mins plus champ select to start a game means I risk not being able to finish.

Allowing people to opt out of secondary/auto fill will make it so that players that don't opt out will get their secondary more often than their mains.

Basically, making you occasionally have to play another role means everyone gets to play what they want a higher percentage of the time.

AlzonOct 5, 20181 votes

Learning other roles will improve your main role because you will learn both what other roles typically prioritize and some of their mechanics, such as wave management.

Vlada CutOct 5, 20181 votes

Because you queue up for 2 roles, or ypur main role + autofill which can be any role besides your main role. Not knowig or understanding all roles will not make you climb, only keep you where you are right now or fall down even more.

KaiokoOct 5, 20181 votes

I hear that argument a lot -- "I should be able to wait longer if it means I can get the role I want"

Here's the thing though -- if Riot gave people that option the entire community would be affected as the pool for matchmaking would become smaller. Regardless of whether or not you queue for a single role or a duo role you would have to wait longer.

The community as a whole decided that queue times were too long back when roles were introduced. This is the compromise we came up with. Unfortunately you do not get to opt out of it.

Pax au TelemanusOct 7, 20181 votes

The argument to understand roles is invalid though. I understand how other roles work but I do not need to understand the micro part of it. I’ve been apart of enough 5’s leagues and watched over 1000 vods of gameplay/team play. I just want my role so I climb :(