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When the king of the jungle cant jungle.

pikachu use surf··5 votes·900 views

Warwick so after playing an extensive amount of games as the champion that got me to even play this game in the first place ive come to terms with the fact that not only was warwick in need of a serious rework to not only make him up to par with everyone else but just to give him a fresh kit on the rift he also needs a rework just to jungle period. this champ is one of the slowest at taking scuttle and now he is slow in his clears all the time without Tiamat. this guy used to be the king of the jungle and now he cant clear raptors under 22secs? there has been talk of fixing him up for awhile but with the new jungle the way it is, a rework for him is even more vital if riot wants this champ to stay relevant. he is a good champion he fits well and makes good impact visually but now he needs the kit to back it up. so I was wondering if anyone else feels the same way about this champion. and if riot plans on bringing him out of the gutter anytime soon because its been years and all of these other champs are getting attention and I feel like warwick has been shelved for way to long. Warwick Warwick Warwick Warwick

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

lol i thought LeeSin was king of jungle

FioraWillCarry5 votes

Wasn't Warwick the champ that created the Jungle role in the first place ? I heard in ancient times in the time before time when anything could go anywhere, a few brave people ask what if the jungle could be farmed ? Many brave heroes were sent into the jungle and none came back, none except for Warwick. His massive sustain I heard, made him one of the few that could clear the jungle in these times and this is where Jungling began.

I think King of the Jungle is a worthy title for Warwick considering Jungling itself started with him.

midnight oil242 votes

That's a pretty good argument. Cheers to you!

Albertoplus1 votes

Man just upvoted you.

Shahamut3 votes

Warwick is the next champion rework and should be done before the next new champion.

Eedat2 votes

WW is getting a VGU lol

bad arcade kitty2 votes

rengar is a lion

lions are the kings of the jungle

ww as a wolf is barely a baron of the jungle or something, likely a simple knight of the jungle

midnight oil244 votes

Lions don't live in the jungle.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=midnight oil24,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-12-16T04:21:27.420+0000)

Lions don't live in the jungle.

firstly it's an established phrase/idiom which you would know if you read more here you can read about its etymology https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-2693,00.html

secondly, i can prove logically that for runeterra it is completely correct: rengar is a lion, rengar lives in the jungle, therefore lions live in the jungle

midnight oil243 votes

Just because one lives in the jungle doesn't mean all live in the jungle.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=midnight oil24,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T04:37:09.885+0000)

Just because one lives in the jungle doesn't mean all live in the jungle.

i didn't say that all of them live there

see, let's suppose i make it like this: john smith lives on nauru island. john smith is a human. therefore humans live on nauru island

it's a true statement but it doesn't mean that all humans live there, or that even more than one human lives there since "humans" there means "at least one specimen" (actually nauru has a noticeable population)

or take it like that. we say that humans visited the moon. now, strictly speaking only few did it personally but we still can claim that we, humanity, reached the moon

so even if rengar is the only lion who lives in the jungle (how we understand the word "jungle" nowadays), which is not proven for runeterra btw, through him the lions of runeterra conquered the jungle, like we, humans, conquered the moon through the few astronauts. who are the kings of the moon if not we?

Sona Ping2 votes

[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T04:49:21.380+0000)

i didn't say that all of them live there

see, let's suppose i make it like this: john smith lives on nauru island. john smith is a human. therefore humans live on nauru island

it's a true statement but it doesn't mean that all humans live there, or that even more than one human lives there since "humans" there means "at least one specimen" (actually nauru has a noticeable population)

or take it like that. we say that humans visited the moon. now, strictly speaking only few did it personally but we still can claim that we, humanity, reached the moon

so even if rengar is the only lion who lives in the jungle (how we understand the word "jungle" nowadays), which is not proven for runeterra btw, through him the lions of runeterra conquered the jungle, like we, humans, conquered the moon through the few astronauts. who are the kings of the moon if not we?

That does not demonstrate it; that is flawed logic. You are creating an equivocation through muddying the semantics.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T09:52:30.966+0000)

That does not demonstrate it; that is flawed logic. You are creating an equivocation through muddying the semantics.

except it is not. funnily but it is a proper logic

i even specifically defined that by humans i meant one or more persons belonging to the set "humans"

Sona Ping2 votes

[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T10:01:13.766+0000)

except it is not. funnily but it is a proper logic

i even specifically defined that by humans i meant one or more persons belonging to the set "humans"

It is not. You just explained how it is an equivocation and therefore an invalid argument. You laid out or how you are confusing individuals with groups and presence with living. You are using semantic ambiguity to swap referents in and out to your liking.

Or to put it more simply: You can't steal an Ostrich from the San Diego Zoo, dump it off in a public park in Idaho and claim that ostriches inhabit the US northwest because this one animal happens to be alive. Specific word choice does not make that factual.

Kaisa is Hot1 votes

[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4yGjV8QI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-16T04:19:33.026+0000)

rengar is a lion

lions are the kings of the jungle

ww as a wolf is barely a baron of the jungle or something, likely a simple knight of the jungle

Rengar is a kitty! Lol

PulsarPollo1 votes

Warwick isn't a king of the jungle, what....

Revali2 votes

item 3715 Warwick neveforget legitimate oneshots. (five shots?)

Veraska1 votes

His rework is slated to be before the next new champion so hopefully we see it before the new year!

PrinceOfStorms1 votes

So what you're saying is make WW busted again?

Altonius Amakiir1 votes

Honestly not sure why people keep saying his clear sucks now. My clear is 20-30s faster with him since the jungle changes. I go blue>gromp>wolves>raptors>red>krugs>look to see if the nearest lane is pushed up to our turret so i can gank early>back>gromp>wolves>1 more camp>gank. I go W>Q>Q>E>Q>R>Q>E>Q>E>R>E>E>W>W>R>W>W. I also have 5.1%AS in runes, 4.5% life steal, and 9.6 lethality. Build is red smite bloodrazor> ninja tabi> wits end> titanic hydra> BotRK> guinsoo's rageblade. Not sure where my strategy differs from yours, but these are the likely areas, and again never had a slow jungle clear, in fact I usually out level the enemy jungler.

Ultimate Deadpoo1 votes

Warwick was my first main before Rengar, and he always had that slow initial clear but I felt that his late game dueling power and his incredibly powerful level 6 ganks made up for it. But now, well I don't feel comfortable playing him because of those jungle changes, he always had a slow clear and now that's just going to become insane with the new jungle. I hope Riot gets that VGU up and running soon, because warwick desperately needs it.

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