help against pantheon

ELIPHAS21·Oct 8, 2014·2 votes·1,066 views

i am having a lot of trouble laning against pantheon. my main top is jax when not banned then nasus or darius. I dont do well against pantheon ever. does anyone have advice? i feel this champ is busted early he has cc built in with tons of damage and a shield that blocks damage.I end up zoned of cs and unable to do anything besides beg for jng help. i think they should remove is ranged attack and remove his stun. this would allow me to at least trade some damage against him his shield would still give him some protection but keep him for trading for free. i just feel he should have more counter play besides play a ranged champion.

5 Comments

DrakoniakOct 8, 20142 votes

Patheon is a Lane Bully, the best way to win a lane vs Patheon is to pick Jayce but if you are using jax / darius / nasus i d say you should focus on buying HP BASED items because its almost certain that the enemy patheon will take a Brutalizer which shreds any armor you buy atop of that get a vamp scepter the sustain will be a heavy factor when laning agaist a patheon since 90% of the time patheon will be spamming Q and E, the good thing is that spamming those skills will cost him a lot of mana and he has a lot of issues with that unless he gets a Tear.

JuniorlokeyOct 8, 20142 votes

you have to be good at playing around his cooldowns, knowing his powerspikes, etc. Try learning pantheon if you're having troubles vs him.

The MormonatorOct 8, 20141 votes

If I were you I would take early armor and let him waste mana if he keeps the harass up with his Q, Wait for him to jump on you if you plan on trading and then let lose on him. I'd suggest champions like Volibear.

Kuroi86Oct 8, 20141 votes

(Panth is one of my top mains.) Firstly, two of your three top mains are countered by Panth early, Jax and Nasus, play safe, huddle under tower, build armor and health and focus on getting to the late game. Focus on farming and keeping warded and hope your jungle is willing to help get you a kill. Secondly, start cloth five, his early damage will be heavily reduced. With Darius, you want to trade with him early, pull him in and get off some damage, don't let him just poke you for free. Iceborn I think would be a good first item to help you in trading with Pantheon. While his passive lets him block an auto attack, your abilities are free to deal damage and your passive will deal massive damage to him. Either try to zone him or trade with him, don't let him have a free lane, you HAVE to go aggressive and push your early game against Panth or else he will steam roll you, especially between 3-5. Think of Panth as an early game assassin, late game bruiser, he's got a lot of damage, but he's extremely squishy.

CrankyChipmonkOct 8, 20141 votes

For some reason I can't get the forums to formant the whole post the same as item 1 on my list (everytime i try to add a space it just ends the list, GG boards)

You should not "beat" pantheon early. ESPECIALLY as jax. Here's how to beat panth overall:

Start cloth armor, 5 hp potions.

Pantheon harasses with q primarily which does physical damage and so the armor helps to lower that damage.

Panth uses a lot of mana on that harrass, the 5 hp potions will help you to sustain through the early harass and make him go oom, or spam less.

Run teleport. This allows you to get back to lane after taking a lot of harass, heal up and not miss much cs. This also allows some counterplay to his ult. If he goes to ult mid or bottom lane you can teleport in to clean up kills / protect allies
Be EXTREMELY careful at level 2. At level 2 panth (especially with ignite) is REALLY easy to get kills with. For level 2 especially, and really from 2-5 be more concerned with keeping up in levels and last hitting under tower. (yay teleport) When you go for a cs, he either keeps poking you low with spears, and then flash q stun auto ignite q for the kill, or he trades with his passive and stun(which resets the passive, with almost no practice you can block 3 auto attacks in a row at level 3, or 3 of 4 at level 2).

When you DO trade with him there are important things to remember.

His stun instantly brings his passive back up. As jax remember to auto him to remove his passive, and THEN w for the extra dmg.
He crits when you are low health (both autos and spears) This means DO NOT TRADE with him in lane if you think that he might be able to get you low. Drink those potions/heal up.
His ultimate is almost useless for trading (if you dont stand in the ring) When you both hit level 6, you get a huge power spike in the form of another ability (usually) while he gets a ganking tool. If you have been keeping close in trades, you might be stronger now, but at the least you can farm much more aggressively.
The strength of his passive gets less and less as the game goes on. (one auto becomes worth less for your overall damage output)

That's all I have for now.

EDIT:

Not positive but I believe that as Jax if you get stunned while your stun is up, it still goes off. If you are afraid he is about to jump/stun you, active it. You will take less damage dodging the autos, you will take reduced damage from his aoe e, and you might be able to stun him in retaliation.