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Stop Complaining About Autofill

Echo Kazem··12 votes·925 views

It's like you a) weren't here before season 6 or b) forgot what it was like before season 6. You had to go into every ranked game preparing to play any of the 5 roles. There was endless conflict in champ select over who on your team would get which role. Most of the time both teams had players playing off roles.

Even if you get autofilled as much as the system allows (let's conservatively say 1/4 games, and we all know you don't get autofilled this often), guess what you get the role you want 3/4 times. This also ignores the fact that you're autofill protected in your promos.

Seriously as far as ranked games go champ select is the best it's ever been, enjoy it.

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Scary Door6 votes

So your central argument for why we should stop complaining about autofill is because it didn't exist before last season. Interesting.

I'm sorry, I'm going to complain about something that disrupts the balance of any individual game and creates significant lopsided matches. Please don't even both by countering with "but, but, but, both sides have autofill"... just because there's a chance that either side can get autofilled doesn't make it a good system, nor should a game be determined by RNG and who has the most autofilled players.

I'd gladly wait twice the time to get a competitive game.

Starcraft243ver6 votes

I'd gladly wait twice the time to get a competitive game.

Would you gladly wait a few hours ? Because that's what happens when you remove autofill.

Scary Door3 votes

That's a bunch of hyperbole/bullshit and you know it. Last season I waited 5-7 minutes in queue, rarely did people dodge and the games, while lopsided at times, weren't nearly as bad as this season.

Now, I wait a couple of minutes in queue, but then there is always at least one dodge before I get into a game and frequently there are two or three.

Queue times were never a few hours before and they wouldn't be now. It's cool to make things up, but at least try to make them sound believable when you do, thanks.

Starcraft243ver2 votes

That's a bunch of hyperbole/bullshit and you know it. Last season I waited 5-7 minutes in queue, rarely did people dodge and the games, while lopsided at times, weren't nearly as bad as this season.

Last season there was autofill as well...

Queue times were never a few hours before and they wouldn't be now.

Because before autofill there were no pre-queue roles assignation.

but at least try to make them sound believable when you do

No problem, tell me where is the flaw in my logic there :

What happens when you lack a role and there is not autofill :

1000 players starts to queue for a game, there are only 100 supports. 500 of the players find a match thanks to the 100 support. 500 players are still waiting.

1000 new players starts to queue they bring 100 new supports

you now have a total of 1500 players queuing (the 500 who were waiting + the 1000 new). the 500 who were waiting are priorized and get matched with the 100 new supports. 1000 players are still waiting

1000 new players starts ... ...

1500 waiting ... But now the 1500 waiting will have to wait until 3000 new players bring 300 new support to get matched. These 3000 new players will be waiting for 6000 new players to connect to bring 600 supports ....

Repeat until 10 000 players are waiting with 1h+ queue time.

Picking role before the game was a new feature, before that you had to respect pick order, everytime. So the system is better than before, and it NEEDS autofill, else it's not just the queue time will be longer, it's the queue time will GROW so much you wont even be able to play.

Scary Door2 votes

Last season there was autofill as well...

Only in Diamond and it was only done rarely.

Because before autofill there were no pre-queue roles assignation.

There sure was, autofill was introduced in Diamond+ last season toward the middle of the year, lower and middle Elos didn't have it at all the entirety of the year.

No problem, tell me where is the flaw in my logic there

Because there weren't multi-hour long queues last season in low-mid Elos, and even in Diamond they were about 10-20 minutes before autofill.

/thread

eviltunafish6 votes

actually its completely different now because now you play like 50 games in ur role and 1 game when you fill.and ofc you gonna suck when you fill cause ur not warmed up for that role.before you were playing all roles equal amount so you were prepared to play any role.

Psyrix3 votes

THANK YOU!!!!! and it's not like u can really advance in league without understanding the other roles. And u'll really only understand the other roles once you play them. Doesnt mean you have to like them, but autofill doesnt happen all that often relative to the rest

Grymmstrike3 votes

The whole "some people have it worse" fallacy to claim there is no reason for a change. Get off your computer, OP, and go donate everything to the starving kids in Africa...

S0kaX2 votes

Fucking upvote this comment to over 9000

Arsenic Sulfur2 votes

Autofill is still justified because longer queues=bigger MMR ranges=probably worse games. Not to mention of you get thrown in the back of the queue priority have fun waiting an hour. And that isn't hyperbole.

Salron3 votes

Fuck no i enjoyed ranked far more with the old system

If you had to fill for something back then, chances were you had fairly occasional practice on it because of the mature of the old system

Nowadays when people are autofilled theyre playing a role they touch maybe once a month and are then pitted against someone who mains that role and you lose off that shit

Autofill is garbage and so is role selection

Neisi1 votes

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Fuck no i enjoyed ranked far more with the old system

If you had to fill for something back then, chances were you had fairly occasional practice on it because of the mature of the old system

Nowadays when people are autofilled theyre playing a role they touch maybe once a month and are then pitted against someone who mains that role and you lose off that shit

Autofill is garbage and so is role selection

This does have some merit against my own judgement.. but I have to say I wasn't any better at jungle back then than I am now lol.....

Dokkaebi2 votes

The system would work if the insecure kids wouldn't go Yasuo support every single game.

Echo Kazem3 votes

Again this is a problem not exclusive to the current system, in fact it used to be worse.

Dokkaebi1 votes

Can you show me the part where I said it wasn't? I can't see it.

Darkdemon6532 votes

We once had the ability to pick our role and champion with 100% certainty. That needs to come back.

Echo Kazem1 votes

Yeah teambuilder often had wait times of 30+ minutes and was only favorable to meta picks.

Neisi2 votes

Thank you. I get into games all the time where people are mad because they got autofilled and want to AFK because of it. This could have been season 3 where you just got what you got if you were last pick because no one cared that you've never jungled lol

Aimléss1 votes

Still think we should just add a 3rd role choice that only occurs if the player is in a situation that he would normally be auto-filled in. So people who don't really mind playing support can put support 3rd and not fear getting it just because of the "you que sup you always get sup" design we have now.

SwiftKitten881 votes

why are there STILL people who think "lower que times" is the ONLY reason for autofill... it isn't... in fact iMO its not even the most relevant reason for autofill.

in season 6 if u put secondary support.. YOU WOULD GET SUPPORT. end of story...

i am a secondary support and i got support THIRTY EIGHT games IN A ROW.

before i took support off as my secondary role.

the people who actaully were prefectly willing to to support as one of thier roles would remove it as an option becuase they never got any other role. this in turn made it worse for the remaining people.. who then left support as well and it was just a downward spiral until only the support mains were left.

with autofill i can PLAY support without getting it EVERY game...

all not having auto fill did was make it so the players WILLING to support no longer wanted to support.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Neisi1 votes

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Ummmm the number 1 requested function for ranked before season 6 was a role select system. Just because ranked is better than the shit-show it was back in pick order does not mean there is no room for improvement.

I definitely think there is always room for improvement, but seriously... to AFK or flip out because someone won't switch with you is a little too much.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Neisi1 votes

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Honestly, the system is so bad that I can understand people flipping out. It is like this season's dynamic queue. It is so unhealthy for the game that if people have to look like immature brats to get it changed, I no longer feel that I can blame them.

It reminds me of all of the insensate whining, qqing, and temper tantrums that the community threw over dynamic queue. Going through it last year, it was embarrassing and made everyone look bad. However, now that we have solo queue back, I am infinity grateful for the people who did put their head out there and fought for solo queue.

So.. no trolling here.. real question:

What's actually so much worse about this system than the old one where you were ALWAYS autofill? What would you change? I've never really run into anything that I don't like about it beside the occasional autofill.

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