How to fix Leblanc Solutions Thread

Master Clapp God··2 votes·1,117 views

I'm tired of all the the post that say rather unintelligently " Nerf LB too stronk" and honestly don't consider where the true issues lie with Leblanc . My solution is simple: slow down the Distortion animation speed. Think about it, even if her W did ZERO dmg, it is essentially one of the best spells that an assassin character could have ( She can go in, she can go out, and she can juke you all about) simply because it provides a higher level of control over two of some of the most important things for an assassin play style - mobility and positioning. Allowing THAT SAME EXACT skill to also wave clear, do AOE dmg, provide no clear indication of where she is going to land and also proc her Sigil of Malice Mark is proving to be a semi-toxic/unbalanced/overbearing play style for obvious reasons. Now, I realize removing any of the aforementioned portions of Leblanc 's W may honestly be way too severe of a balancing method, however I feel that slowing down the Distortion speed would add the counter play that LB match ups are definitely missing. This is because, After all the benefits mentioned above, I feel like Leblanc is still highly reliant on her distortion damage in order too have truly have favorable trades, and making distortion easier to react too/less reliable would provide laners with any opportunity to punish LB if she fails actually land her W.

TL;DR Lowering the W speed would give opponents meaningful counter play against Leblanc, thus making the experience of playing against more enjoyable/bearable without completely destroying her viability

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9 Comments

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

I like the idea. That's one my problems with LeBlanc is that she's kinda dedicated on herself F**king up instead of you outplaying her,

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Before going to solution space, I'd suggest you better define the problem.

I see little reason to believe LeBlanc is out of balance, so your concern is clearly for game health. That means you're looking to do a rework, not a balance tuning. In turn, this means that every unit of power you're taking out, you need to put back in somewhere else.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I think her main problem (and for many mobility champions) is that she doesn't have to rely on enemies making mistakes, while also being somewhat protected if she makes mistakes herself. The same could be said about pre-nerf Kassadin, Zed and Nidalee. I FEEL the difference when I play as them, since my mains are immobile mages.

Basically, if I'm playing well as Anivia, or Brand, or Twisted Fate, I can only do so much until and unless my enemy makes a mistake. They let me land a Flash Frost, or don't avoid my Pillar of Flame -- there's my opportunity to punish them (but not kill them in one hit). Otherwise I'm limited to poking the best I can, but they can always recall if they take too much poke. Kill potential as an immobile mage is pretty predictable -- level 6, taking too much poke, or using flash. Conversely, if I make a mistake as one of those champions, I pay for it because I can't just dash away from the threat.

Leblanc and Nidalee and Zed don't have to wait for enemies to make a mistake. They can FORCE a play because they are so mobile. Similarly, their mistakes are very hard to punish, because they can just dash away. A jungle gank against any of these champions is almost always a waste of time, unless you have point-and-click CC (so like Maokai or Vi).

Mobility gives you the freedom to not worry about as many things. You don't have to care whether you're in position, or whether your enemy is within range of your harass. I think Riot chronically undervalues mobility, and Leblanc is just one example of it.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

I think her main problem (and for many mobility champions) is that she doesn't have to rely on enemies making mistakes

I think LeBlanc relies more on opponents making mistakes than most mids. She can't push well. She's not a good teamfighter. She doesn't have much ability to trade. Her thing is catching people out of position and bursting them down. By definition, that means the target made a mistake.

I think Riot chronically undervalues mobility, and Leblanc is just one example of it.

I think the community chronically overvalues mobility. We keep picking champions that are flashy over champions who are strong.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/middle/diamond/by-winrate

I don't see systematic dominance by mobile mids. Actually, it looks like we keep losing with LeBlanc and Zed, when we could be winning with Annie and Malzahar.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

She doesn't have much ability to trade. Her thing is catching people out of position and bursting them down. By definition, that means the target made a mistake.

I really don't think that's accurate. Due to her W and her point-and-click Q+R combo, Leblanc can hit a target from a very far away range and then disengage, and from any number of angles. She can start chunking you at level 2, and immediately W back before you can retaliate (at least, if you rely on skillshots which usually have a travel time). There is very little trading possible in that half a second. An Anivia or Brand, in contrast, cannot do that. Immobile mage's spells come from where they are or where they can walk to. Basically, there is nowhere safe in lane (even under tower, once they hit 6) from Leblanc or Zed, while there are many safe places from an Annie or a Malzahar (though if Flash is up the immobile mage "danger zone" is much larger, but that's kind of my point -- mobility greatly impacts the laning phase).

A lower win rate doesn't mean a champion is healthy (Poppy is an example of this -- her diamond+ winrate is 49.8, but her ult and passive are both toxic nonetheless). Before the nerfs, Kassadin didn't dominate the game either, but his mobility still needed to be tuned back, though they overshot it a bit.

In the end, I think it's just a difference of game philosophy. I think Riot undervalues the breathing room that mobility gives a champion, though I notice that (in general) mobile champions lack hard CC, which is I think a wise balance. I just think mobility should require a bit more thought than it currently does.

SwiftKitten881 votes

i don't really think lb is too strong. and i don't play her. certain champs are designed to have to be crazy if you let them get to far ahead. thier called bursty assasins. and they snowball. other notable champs include YI, yasuo, nasus and veigar. dont feed them and they wont be an issue.

why do u think you almost always see yi banned in bronze but it alsmot dies to zero ocne player reach silver. becuase once a player reach silver there is usually only one person on the team of feeds like an idoit.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

LB isn't too weak or too strong, but is a pain to deal with unless someone's got killer reaction time to stop her in her tracks.

Does making her W deal less damage help? Especially since it is her main way to flash all over the darn place. How about giving her blink some delay before she can flash back to her original position? Would that create more "counterplay" than pre-rework Veigar?

Just some suggestions coming from a support main. We all know that simply stacking MR doesn't help too much especially from bursty assassins.

Master Clapp God1 votes

LB isn't too weak or too strong, but is a pain to deal with unless someone's got killer reaction time to stop her in her tracks.

The issue you bring up there is exactly my point. Leblanc is not too strong or too weak DAMAGE wise however her attack pattern is not in a good spot. Killer reaction time is an understatement and honestly not an effective enough balancing lever for a champion as heavily equipped as Leblanc. Slowing down the W would go a long way in giving opponents meaningful counter play to majority if not all of her damage patterns.

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