What is feeding as support?
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Feeding is dying unnecessarily or without purpose.
Now, everyone makes mistakes, so most people would say you need to do it a few times (say 3).
So if you're dying more than 3 times unnecessarily or without purpose, then that's feeding.
Some examples of okay deaths: Got ganked when you were going all-in because you had the kill (although you should have vision) Dying to save a carry Dying to draw attention so your team can take an objective Dying as part of a teamfight
Some examples of poor deaths: Overextending without purpose and getting ganked Overstaying in lane and dying (including to tower dives) Getting caught late game alone and dying
Locking in Sona is synonymous to intentional feeding. Aside from that, use your own judgment and you can tell. If you're on a tank support, but you're squishy... If you don't have armor runes, on anyone... If you're dying repeatedly in lane 2v2 or hell even 2v1/3v2 advantage your side... These are just a few and all clear signs of feeding.
Locking in Sona is synonymous to intentional feeding.
http://champion.gg/champion/Sona http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/sona http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/47540501#profile http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Sona
Facts, as opposed to Pika310's "opinions"
I am offended :(
I'm just stating facts. She has the 2nd-lowest dmg of all supports, worst healing/shielding with highst mana cost and is the only support in the game without reliable pre-6 cc. Not to mention being the least-picked support in competitive play, she sees less professional screen time than Taric and off-supports like Syndra or Kayle. The list goes on, but truth is truth whether people are willing to accept it or not.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZIwweXqL-the-state-of-sona-mk-2
The fact that these people recieved 3 downvotes in the space of an hour just proves that you are manipulative, while you got 2 additional upvotes in that same time fram shows that you are a liar and any words that you speak are to be treated with caution. You are literally worse than Trump. Why haven't other people commented on this?
Soraka and Braum have lower damage values than Sona going purely off of ratios and bases.
You keep on saying that Nami is a better Sona, and Bard is a better Nami, but I keep on showing to you that Bard does less damage with the same items as Sona with an auto targeted ability plus an auto attack. There is almost no counterplay to Hymn of Valor because the only ADC that can outrange Hymn of Valor with auto attacks is Twitch with his ulti. Sona is fine as is, her statistics in terms of playrate/ winrate ratios. And have you ever thought why Sona would have the 3rd lowest damage of all supports? Maybe because you can;t dodge Hymn of Valor, meanwhile any ADC with any mobility can dodge Aqua Prison, Starcall, Equinox, Death Sentence, Rocket Grab, Zenith Blade, Cosmic Binding, Dredge Line, WInter's Bit etc. etc.. The only other supports that have targeted abilities (that are not attached to an auto attack) are Nami with Ebb and Flow, and Taric with Dazzle, might've been another that I've forgotten, but yeah sorry.
Oh yeah, you're also the same person that says Ahri is trash when PowerOfEvil says that she's one of the best midlaners for solo queue. Calls Quinn garbage when Huni is spamming her. Yeah logic.
I'm just stating facts. She has the 2nd-lowest dmg of all supports, worst healing/shielding with highst mana cost and is the only support in the game without reliable pre-6 cc. Not to mention being the least-picked support in competitive play, she sees less professional screen time than Taric and off-supports like Syndra or Kayle. The list goes on, but truth is truth whether people are willing to accept it or not.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZIwweXqL-the-state-of-sona-mk-2
Nice list of opinions.
http://www.champion.gg/champion/Sona
Sona is 7th (out of 25) for damage dealt.
She is actually 1st when you look at traditional supports. The 6 "supports" that are, on average, outdamaging Sona, are actually mages. Being natural damage dealers, and having 3 (if not 4) damaging abilities when she only has 2 (+ conditional passive) it only makes sense that they hurt more than Sona.
http://www.champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Support&sortBy=general.totalHeal&order=descend
She is 6th (out of 25) for healing done. Of course many of these champions are not healers, but she still outheals Bard and stands 4 ranks before him. It should also be worth nothing that a part of the power on Sona's W is the shield, which is not calculated here. Also, Trundle's "healing" is self healing, and Alistar's heal also heals the wave (which is not really that useful).
Her lack of popularity in competitive play is because laning phase is getting shorter and shorter, and Sona's strength lies within her laning phase. She is a good laner, a good teamfigther, but a mediocre roamer, which is what supports do a lot atm.
it depends on your support choice, team composition, and length of the game... Who do you support with?
There is no SET number but I ALWAYS try to have more assists than deaths
true more assists then deaths is a good way to judge it
The same as feeding for any other role: dying more than what you are providing for. It's not really set in your KDA (although a low assist count with a high amount of deaths does not bode well), but rather how and why you die. 0-14-27 Braum dying every time as he engages a winning team fight and sacrifices himself for the carries whenever needed? Not feeding. 0-5-2 Sona dying because she keeps getting caught alone? Feeding.
Rule of thumb: your assists should be roughly twice your deaths for ok. 3x is good 4x is great
0/4/16 vs 0/4/8
Rule of thumb: your assists should be roughly twice your deaths for ok. 3x is great
Well that depends who you're playing too. I'd expect/accept more deaths from tank supports who go yolo balls deep engage-mode than from back liners who mostly stay close to the carries and sustain/peel. If you hit double digits deaths as Soraka or Janna, for instance, either the game was very long, many sacrifices were needed, or you were at the wrong spot at the wrong time too often.
"or you were at the wrong spot at the wrong time too often." Bad positioning on a mage support is a habit of bad mage supports. But yea, I was kinda talking about
as they get played the most. I can see a 2/8/16 Braum being called ok if he landed his R whole team, died peeling, and his team aced.
"or you were at the wrong spot at the wrong time too often." Bad positioning on a mage support is a habit of bad mage supports. But yea, I was kinda talking about
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as they get played the most. I can see a 2/8/16 Braum being called ok if he landed his R whole team, died peeling, and his team aced.
is not really a mage support, he's the kind of tanky engage support I was talking about actually
But unlike any other tank, he can meet the mage support standards due to kit
Same as it is in other roles, except subtract the number of times you died in order to save a team member from certain death.
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Same as it is in other roles, except subtract the number of times you died in order to save a team member from certain death.
subtract the times you died for the flash Crescendo on whole enemy team that won the fight too
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subtract the times you died for the flash Crescendo on whole enemy team that won the fight too
Depends on what they did after the fight tbh. Did they force down towers, take Baron/Dragon, and secure objectives, or did they run off to the jungle/side lanes and farm? Winning a teamfight doesn't mean much if you don't press your advantage.
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Depends on what they did after the fight tbh. Did they force down towers, take Baron/Dragon, and secure objectives, or did they run off to the jungle/side lanes and farm? Winning a teamfight doesn't mean much if you don't press your advantage.
well, if you grant them an ace on a silver platter and they use it to farm wolves, that's your teammates being bad, not you
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subtract the times you died for the flash Crescendo on whole enemy team that won the fight too
You don't need to do that unless you subtract every team fight death for tanks too. If you die in a team fight that your team wins because of your flash Crescendo then you probably went like 0/1/4 in that fight and gaining ~4 assists for 1 death is far from feeding. No need for weird "don't count this death!" stuff.
You don't need to do that unless you subtract every team fight death for tanks too. If you die in a team fight that your team wins because of your flash Crescendo then you probably went like 0/1/4 in that fight and gaining ~4 assists for 1 death is far from feeding. No need for weird "don't count this death!" stuff.
well don't count this death in your "am I feeding?" questioning, that's what I meant.
If you want to deliberately feed as support, just buy as many pink wards as you can and set them right in front of the enemy. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/925/494/218.png_large
There's a difference in how and why you die that draws the line between "justified death" and "feeding"
Blitz saves his carry's life by standing in front of a Cait ult? Justified death. Leona staying behind cc'ing 3 enemies and allowing the rest of her team to escape? Justified. Dying at a level 1 jungle invade? That's bad decision making.
If your deaths are even with your assists and your ADC's kills are way higher than their own deaths you are doing your job. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]