In the past we heard about Diana and Akali reworks being in progress. Can we get an update?
I just want to know if the progress is going well. I heard that they are not included in the mage reworks so I wonder if there are other plans for them.
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Solidair35 votesAkali had some changes being tested, but they were ice boxed until they get to the assassin group update which probably won't even be this year, and if it is it would be at the end of the year.
Diana as far as I know has not had significant work, and beyond that she has terrible identity issues. Is she an assassin? A fighter? I've seen separate champ designers give separate opinions on the matter and riot doesn't even know what she is/should be. I think Diana will need a deeper rework, and there are other champions who need it way worse than her, so I wouldn't expect it any time soon.
Vistha Kai6 votesSo you are saying that Diana needs an extensive rework, but Akali is better with some random low-priority "fixes"?
Have you ever played either of them?
Solidair35 votesI'm only here relaying information, friend. You sure put a lot of words into my mouth there. And for the record I don't think Diana needs an extensive rework at all, just a look at. Pick a direction (Fighter or Assassin) and then push her in that direction.
stealthfox941 votesAkali needs a re-work more than Diana.
Solidair33 votesI didn't say she doesn't. We are in complete agreement. Diana's would just be easier and lighter.
Akali has deep feast/famine and counterplay problems which is why she's left in a worse off state half the time.
AkaIihoIic3 votesRiot Gaussrik (Gameplay Expert from LAS/LAN) told me that my precious Akali's kit is already finished (but not tested in PBE yet so not final version), I don't know how advanced her visual update is right now, that's the sad part.
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La Barbotte3 votesthey arent in the mages update cause they arent mages XD they be assassin yo
SnugglePuggle942 votesDiana is a fighter, not an assassin
La Barbotte6 votesfighter when she build defensive items, when shes full AP and my health bar dissapear faster than my dad shes an assassin
SnugglePuggle943 votesOnly because people build her that way.
Steelflame2 votesShe on release was classed as a fighter assassin. And it is accurate to what she is, she is a bruiser assassin, where what she is is based on what she has focused on building.
stealthfox941 votesGiven that she has decent defensive stats, I'd say it's best to build her full AP and deal stupid damage have a shield and still not be that squishy.
Vistha Kai1 votesBecause there is only so much diversity in AP itemization.
Especially since they nerfed HP on AP items.
SnugglePuggle941 votesAnd the nerfed the armor, while also increasing the costs.
Vistha Kai1 votesBecause Zhonya was such a good armor item in the first place, right?
SnugglePuggle941 votesWell it had like what 120 AP and 50 Armor? It was a good second item to get against AD assassins cause before all the changes, they were easier to play against, and we had mana regen. Now it's down to 100 AP 45 Armor, plus the cost increased, and all the AD Assassin's, Bruiser's, and what not have a shit ton of new items along with buffs to their numbers and anything else I forget. Now it's not a really good item but still have to rush it in order to not die most of the time (as an AP mage most typically).
Vistha Kai2 votesIt still was(and is) highly cost inefficient compared to AD's anti-mage item option, Hexdrinker, which costs only 1300 gold and is up every 90 seconds.
I mean, look at Maw, the upgrade of Hexdrinker: 55 AD 50 MR 10 A.pen 300+1/bonus.MR shield (which being an absorption shield scales with MR; AGAIN) 25% AS 10% Lifesteal 10% Spellvamp For 3250 gold (also builds out of cheap AF items)
Stat-wise only, it's a good item even without the shield.
Compared to Zhonya: 100 AP 45 Armor 2.5 sec invulnerability every 90 seconds. For 3500 gold
Stat-wise, doesn't even come close to it's price.
ADs have so many items you get a headache thinking what to buy, meanwhile pretty much every single mage in the game always buys the same 4 items every single match aganist everybody.
And Riot nerfs those AP items for the sake of "diversity".
SnugglePuggle941 votesExactly.
LadyRenly2 votesWith any hope, it'll be out in 2030
AkaIihoIic2 votesI wouldn't say that, at least about my cute Akali. Riot Gaussrik (Gameplay Expert from LAS/LAN) told me her kit is already finished but not final version yet, and I don't know how advanced her visual update is right now, that's the sad part.
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LadyRenly1 votesI wouldn't say that, at least about my cute Akali. Riot Gaussrik (Gameplay Expert from LAS/LAN) told me her kit is already finished but not final version yet, and I don't know how advanced her visual update is right now, that's the sad part.
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Aw, that's sad to hear. I for one love proving people wrong about Akali and wreck with her, so I've kind of gotten attached to her again xD
AkaIihoIic1 votesHell yeah, well played my precious Akali stills stomp games. :3 You just need to play her intelligently, and not click + kill like everyone says. Positioning is everything, also knowing exactly when to jump in the TF to DELETE adc/mid or both and with luck escape ulting a minion or monster.
SoMNia2 votesI'd like to see Diana become the class-defining AP bruiser. She's way too bursty and assassin-like for a fighter/mage with no escapes. Of course, with Taric, Yorick, and the whole mage rework taking up the next half year or more, I don't think we'll see whatever work might be done on her OR Akali any time soon.
WarlordTim1 votesHear Hear!
Rozair2 votesAlso the reason Diana is so powerful is because the counter picks for Diana are never picked. Oriana or swain hard counter her
stealthfox941 votesCho mid counters her to.
ƒoes1 votesIMO Akali and Diana are in perfectly fine states right now (EXCEPT FOR YOUR GODDAMN E AKALI)
I wouldn't know why they'd want to rework them; the only probably "rework" they could give to either one would be to change Akali's E because it absolutely does not fit in her kit, whatsoever.
Chibi Templar3 votesIMO Akali and Diana are in perfectly fine states right now (EXCEPT FOR YOUR GODDAMN E AKALI)
I wouldn't know why they'd want to rework them; the only probably "rework" they could give to either one would be to change Akali's E because it absolutely does not fit in her kit, whatsoever.
Theres something wrong with her E? Oh right. It doesn't proc her Q anymore.
They have every reason to rework them both. Diana is a super tanky assassin, which should never exist, and Akali is super feast or famine and only crushes in low ELO.
Vistha Kai3 votes"Super tanky assassin".
etc.
Actually, when you go over champions with "assassin" tag, half of them are super tanky.
Chibi Templar5 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4b288IKK,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2016-02-01T00:03:58.685+0000)
"Super tanky assassin".
Actually, when you go over champions with "assassin" tag, half of them are super tanky.
1.Fair.
2. Fair.
3.Not an assassin
4. Not tanky ever unless you're a hero that mainly deals magic damage and thats even a stretch.
5. Definitely not an assassin.
Vistha Kai2 votesKassadin is tanky only aganist half of champions in the game. Therefore he isn't tanky. Right. Riven fulfills all tenets of the assassin class.
If anything Fiora was a stretch here.
Chibi Templar2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4b288IKK,comment-id=00000002000000000001,timestamp=2016-02-01T14:58:17.660+0000)
Kassadin is tanky only aganist half of champions in the game. Therefore he isn't tanky. Right. Riven fulfills all tenets of the assassin class.
If anything Fiora was a stretch here.
If hes tanky in your book, you're doing it wrong.
SnugglePuggle941 votesDiana is classified as a fighter, but people build her more burst so she seems like she's an assassin. She at least has a good amount of counterplay.
And "super tanky assassins" are the title for champions like and others, not her.
Chibi Templar2 votesDiana is classified as a fighter, but people build her more burst so she seems like she's an assassin. She at least has a good amount of counterplay.
And "super tanky assassins" are the title for champions like
If it bursts like an assassin and has the mobility of an assassin... Diana and Akali are played nearly identically with a few slight differences. Diana is an assassin. The Riot "fighter" tag is wrong.
SnugglePuggle941 votesDiana only has the mobility in her ult, and if she uses that she has no escapes. She's not like Zed who can press R back to safety, or Akali who has her shroud and her 3 dashes, Ahri in her 3 dashes, Kat and her shunpo. I remember reading somewhere that Riot specifically made her to be a fightery-type champion but messed up somewhere and the fact that people take her more burst is because they want to play her assassin like, not what she's supposed to be, which is built like a off tank. She's not a typical assassin, the community just made her that way.
And I do see her as a fighter. The Riot tag is right, they just need to give her some fixes that actually make her into what she was supposed to be all along.
NineTailedMystic1 votesAhri isn't an assassin anymore though.
Rozair1 votesAnd what items could Diana build to make her a fighter. Nothing there are no fighter ap items
Masala Chai2 votesAbyssal
Rozair1 votesK then and you build that and your still an assassin
Masala Chai2 votesNashor's Liandry's Rylai's
SnugglePuggle942 votes
among others
Masala Chai2 votesThank you. Frozen Heart is kind of a mix of AD and AP fighter/tank item. Especially because that's Susan Boyle's core item.
Rozair1 votesWhy the hell would Diana want frozen heart.
OK so I can say rod of ages, abysal, frozen gauntlets, witts end.... Yea no....
SnugglePuggle942 votesFrozen Heart for the armor and passive against AD heavy teams....I've done it before and it's worked great.
Masala Chai1 votesChampion spotlight lol. It's a good item on another AP fighter champion.
Masala Chai1 votesI've one shot adcs and midlaners alike with Q->R, it's not THAT hard to land the Q. Especially in low elo, (where I am) where no one has an idea of how to dodge.
SnugglePuggle941 votesI know how to hit the Q. I'm talking about her mobility and her lack of escapes, unlike most assassins who do have escapes.
Rico Nasty1 votesI think they should switch Diana's E and Ult, but tone down Lunar Rush a little (less damage or something), and increase the range + add damage on Moonfall. That way she wouldn't have such an intense power spike, but still keep her identity. Akali is honestly pretty okay right now, she is still really clunky but better than she was in s5. They said she's getting a VU and a small gameplay update after Yorick, Taric, and the mage updates.
Weathered1 votesWhy would Diana get a rework... she's fine right now and is in solid state. I guess maybe lore update? I don't know I think she's fine :/
BadmoonBC1 votesPlease God don't update Diana. She is my bae and is perfect where she is.
To those saying Diana is too tanky to be an assassin. She's like the only assassin that doesn't have a "get out of there" trick/ability etc; Once your in the enemy stack or flanking the carries with Diana your basically stuck in there. Zhonyas was such an important item on her but the ridiculous price of it and the nerf it got to ap/armor really hurt her. Just a few months ago this board was full of "nerf Diana" threAds. But you don't see them anymore because she's not as popular as she was due to the changes
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