Can you give Ivern a ranged auto attack as standard please

Doctor Bunhead·Sep 21, 2018·27 votes·10,542 views

It feels like shit when you have to bush just to get a ranged auto attack when you're taking turrets etc. Or you have no bush charges and you're just walking around in circles feeling like you're not contributing anything because you can't walk in to melee the turret a lot of the time. Ivern should be able to use his bushes more tactically, not just spamming them all over the place because he wants to be able to contribute some damage.

Every other enchanter in the game has a ranged auto attack, why can't Ivern have one? He likes to attack things aswell. :(

11 Comments

Warlord RhinarkSep 22, 201814 votes

While we're at it, remove the unnecessary bonus on-hit damage you gain from going into a Brushmaker bush and just have people regenerate HP and Mana as long as they're standing in it.

Ivern is a support after all.

SociaI JusticeSep 22, 20183 votes

but all the rageblade onhit ivern players kappa

Done25Sep 22, 20186 votes

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While we're at it, remove the unnecessary bonus on-hit damage you gain from going into a Brushmaker bush and just have people regenerate HP and Mana as long as they're standing in it.

Ivern is a support after all.

No, he needs that extra on hit damage to help him do anything on his own. The bonus damage is pretty mandatory for helping him take objectives like drake or towers.

Warlord RhinarkSep 22, 20181 votes

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No, he needs that extra on hit damage to help him do anything on his own. The bonus damage is pretty mandatory for helping him take objectives like drake or towers.

If we're going to make him ranged by default, we might as well make him have extra on-hit damage by default.

The power budget can also be shifted over towards Daisy having on-hit damage.

BârdSep 22, 20182 votes

He's a jungler first.

That on hit damage makes him deal an acceptable amount of damage in ganks (if still below average), and giving him healing on bushes would not only negate his HP cost on his passive, but would also let him give his laners an unfair amount of sustain.

IfnethSep 22, 20183 votes

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While we're at it, remove the unnecessary bonus on-hit damage you gain from going into a Brushmaker bush and just have people regenerate HP and Mana as long as they're standing in it.

Ivern is a support after all.

I feel like the regen would either be broken or pointless, while also punishing aggression and rewarding non-interaction. The balance and design problems would be too great.

BârdSep 22, 20189 votes

Being able to swap between melee and ranged at will is actually somewhat important for Ivern's kit.

He wants to be ranged when he's hitting people because he's squishy, but he wants to be melee when he goes in on his Q so he will be in range for his E to proc in ganks.

0 HogapuSep 21, 20183 votes

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Rıots Bad ClientSep 22, 20182 votes

I'd want his Q missile speed to be increased.

Reduce his Ap Scaling on his E and make it that it scales with HP.

Have His E special interaction with daisy.

Like When its on her she gets an Attack speed boost, Or more tank stats. Or like when it pops give her a lil movement speed pop.

(things I'd want.)

Disabled SupportSep 22, 20182 votes

Remove the auto attack range from the bush and make that his normal auto range, then make the bush slowly Regen hp/mana but the Regen starts off weak so you cant really abuse it early but you can't max it first either

If it already doesn't exist, extend his root range in his bush too, or maybe Daisy could get like extra bonuses for being spawned in his bushes, idk ivern needs some love

DaCurtisSep 23, 20181 votes

Regardless of the Q Range thing where Ivern gets placed on recast, there's no denying it feels absolutely awful to use his auto attacks, especially when it times out. Fuck it's so inconsistent.