Stop it, its already dead! (Sejuani)

TiaraHorizont··17 votes·9,157 views

Hello Guys,

I will keep it simple. I'm a Sejuani main, even since pre-lCS times, where no one actually expected her to be strong and her ban rate was around 0%. After the LCS where she got played a lot the nerfing started, although she was never actually high in her winrate. The highest I saw was around 53%, where she wasnt even Top 10. Nevermind, I accepted my fate and kept playing her. The nerfs went on and it got harder and harder to play her , her winrate quickly fell below 50% and after the PTSD ban times no one banned sejuani anymore. -I could play her again! Lovely, but for some reason the nerfs continiued! I really dont know why, but she got nerfed to a point where the enemy team basically had to consist of sejuani-weak-champions or the game was a complete lose. Even if you completely dominated the early game with tons of well placed ganks , as soon as teamfights began you weren't even half as tanky as usual tanks are and died in seconds.

It was sad, but it was ok, after the feast comes the famine I thought to myself.

But now: What the fck guys, srsly, you even now keep nerfing her? **She is now on Place 47 of 49 junglers Winratewise!!! ** I do understand that it might have been depressing to play against her when the player knew what he was doing, but what the hell are you guys thinking now? NO ONE plays her anymore, no one bans her anymore, hell, the last time I saw her in a match was literally about 100 matches ago.

Its just sad to see a champion die for no reason at all. Keep her low, keep her at below 50% winrate, but why the fck would you keep nerfing her after that? Even now already champs like twitch or sona have more armor at lvl 18... I don't know what to tell you, please, just stop. She is already dead.

Greetings, Fausthammer

28 Comments

CrazFight 7 votes

Cause riot balances around lcs sadly :(

Saurons Servant6 votes

True its almost like riot just keeps stabbing tanks in the back. I hated to play against them but now I feel like we have reached a point where riot can stop and maybe take care of bringing more diversity into botlane instead of destroying tanks over and over again.

Ultîma2 votes

Are you kidding me?

Zac is insanely dominant, and has been for a very long time. Sion has been a top-lane staple for months due to the ridiculous damage on his E, ability to engage, and tankyness. Ornn was broken tier, nerfed, and is still very strong top-lane. Hecarim just got buffed. Malphite just got buffed. Gragas just got buffed. Shen is an absolute monster in organized play. Volibear got buffed a few patches ago. Maokai is still pretty damn good. Chogath is basically pick-or-ban status due to his insane scaling and objective-securing power.

Can you please explain to me exactly how Riot is backstabbing tanks again? Because it seems like they're nerfing what's obviously overpowered and buffing what's in need of some love, especially recently.

Irelia got hotfix-nerfed, and is getting hard-nerfed some more in spite of having a >50% winrate and a completely irrelevant laning phase on the premise that she has good teamfight scaling. Meanwhile Kaisa is completely broken-tier and there isn't anyone at Riot addressing it.

I Q2 votes

Ornn is legit the third worst toplaner right now, and Zac isn't at all dominant. Irelia isn't a tank, she's a bruiser.

Ultîma1 votes

I was comparing the treatment of tanks vs. other categories of characters. i.e.: bruisers with the recent release (and nerfs) of Irelia, and Kai'sa's complete botlane dominance atm.

Also if Ornn was actually the third worst top laner right now, would you also say that Gnar is one of the worst performers for that lane? Because that is factually untrue if you take into account all the data available to you instead of cherry-picking champion.gg results.

Zac is also doing quite well in the jungle, and is often prioritized if Skarner and Olaf aren't in play. Not being S-tier does not mean he isn't, in fact, very strong.

I Q1 votes

A character not even being the third best jungle, means they're "insanely dominant"? That doesn't seem to make sense.

Ultîma1 votes

Where are you getting your data from? champion.gg? Have you looked at pro games? High elo? Zac is performing very well.

Honestly I don't care; the comment I was responding to was complaining about the "unfair" treatment of tanks when that is categorically false. Examples cited above. You want to cherry pick at a particular one? That's fine. Forget about the other 9 examples showing that Riot doesn't hate tanks, and continue trying to argue while Trundle is extremely powerful in the game currently because of the prevalence of tanks. People downvoting a post with this much actual evidence is a complete farce.

I Q1 votes

Pro games don't correlate directly to meta in other elos. Just as low elo doesn't correlate to high elos. You can play Amumu in low elo, but hes pretty garbage in competitive

http://na.op.gg/champion/zac/statistics/jungle

Raiyza6 votes

I miss her old ult. Thing was a teamfight wrecker.

ThêLêgêñd273 votes

I wish they would revert her ult but keep the other changes.

ModWulf Helhammer10 votes

That would become one of the most overpowered champions in the game.

You realize her old ult was what made her (on average) a weaker champion? When you have a potential 5 man stun from decent range, you can’t be very strong in other areas.

LankPants1 votes

I personally just wish they'd revert her straight up. This new iteration has been far more problematic balancewise than old Sej ever was. Plus I found old Sej far more fun to play anyway.

TEKadeo1 votes

Compare it to Sona's ult. Then come back and try again.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Crescendo range: 900

Glacial Prison range: 1300. Plus she has a dash.

Compared and returned. My point still stands

TEKadeo1 votes

Apparently you've never seen the two abilities in game? Sejuani's old ult would stop on first contact and freeze only people that are right next to each other, then slow others around. Meaning it could be tank blocked. Sona's will go through and stun everyone for that 900 range. Yes, the dash gives it more range, but that's at the cost of her Q's mobility/damage/CC for using it like that.

YoungFarmer3 votes

I played sej recently and was honestly surprised at how much damage the jg creeps did to her, even as a tank. Shes squishy af.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Sounds like how she's always been in that regard.

princeblumpkin3 votes

The Sejuani rework is a complete failure on every level and the sooner Riot accepts this, the better. She's less fun to play than she was before while also being less fun to play against, is less unique in playstyle, and has been a balancing nightmare. She failed all 3 parts of what makes a successful rework, so let's pull the plug and see if we can do better next time.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

{quoted}

The Sejuani rework is a complete failure on every level and the sooner Riot accepts this, the better. She's less fun to play than she was before while also being less fun to play against, is less unique in playstyle, and has been a balancing nightmare. She failed all 3 parts of what makes a successful rework, so let's pull the plug and see if we can do better next time.

I agree, a revert is really needed. I miss her E and ULT so much. Semi-AP sejuani was the best. It was a tank...with GUNS. like BIG guns.

Cavesloth2 votes

Maybe they should just admit her rework was complete garbage. Hoping so, seems the dev team is finally admitting they don't know what the hell they are doing.

BestPudgeNA2 votes

{quoted} NO ONE plays her anymore, no one bans her anymore, hell, the last time I saw her in a match was literally about 100 matches ago

According to OP.GG she has almost a 9% play rate in plat+ elo. She obviously isn't that bad or people wouldn't be playing her. Sorry your champ isn't OP for the first time in a year.

GodlyBane1 votes

I was pissed and questioning the nerfs this patch and im a yas main, it is truly depressing watch her die when she wasnt even viable..

Eedat1 votes

#LC$'d

PaffWasTaken1 votes

I don't really understand why they would still nerf her either. But I'd be lying if I said that I won't enjoy seeing her getting weaker and weaker. It's simple: everything in her kit is extremely frustrating to play against so, even if its not that good anymore, I don't want to see it getting better, like, at all

Colton1471 votes

Ornn knows the feeling of being tossed into the dumpster as well.item 3070

Thee Pie Man2 votes

Ornn's good though :C! I love playing him. (Granted I haven't had much time to play the game!) But I picked him up ASAP and he was fun as heck~

T4underbolt1 votes

This champion is taking 3/4 of hp at level 3 with no items. She is not dead. She is broken. And will be untill riot fixes tanks

DragonShea1 votes

Sej got RAPED!

Thank you riot, you rework a champ and then you nerf her to oblivion.

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