"For those looking for buffs to Zhonya's Hourglass, it should be clear that we aren't doing that."

B1naryB0t·2/11/2016, 12:53:47 AM·6 votes·1,099 views

Ok, normally I don't do this, but come on. If you're gonna say "lol you wanted to be viable? not happening lol zed says screw you kappa" at least give a better reason than citing the power of an active that freezes you in place and makes a prime rib out of you if your team abandons you. In a game where the only Armor+AP item viable for mages is an item that's kept intentionally weak because of a powerful active, how are you supposed to keep up with Zed or Talon, champions who have loads of armor penetration, assassination potential, and live in your lane specifically because they do your job just about as well and can 100-0 you, get out, and spam laugh as well.

Here are the solutions as I see it:

  1. Buff Hourglass. As mentioned above, it's been made very clear that this is not Riot's intention and that this item is to remain sub-par because some talon player cried that their assassination was delayed by 2.5 seconds.

  2. Buff AP itemization. AP itemization is pretty rough right now, compared to AD assassins. Often times a limiter to getting zhonyas is the lack of mana to keep in lane waveclearing, or a stronger need for the high combine cost on some other item. A lot of AP items leave you waiting with money in the bank hoping to finish the combine cost some time soon. If you rework AP itemization like with AD itemization, then there's a chance for more diverse options and less stress on the power of zhonya's.

  3. Add another AP+Armor mage item. Right now there are multiple very strong defensive AD items, especially with almost equivalently powerful abilities.item 3156 item 3139 are famous for this.

However, the one thing I ask is that something is done. It's not right to have an item sit in a purposely weak state because it has a decent ability tied to it.

11 Comments

Akali is SO HOT2/11/2016, 3:34:53 AM5 votes

I'm still not understanding how you guys can possibly think Zhonyas isn't the best item in the game

Slamurai Jack2/11/2016, 7:54:41 AM5 votes

People were so spoiled for so long that they actually think getting the best active in the game for 500 gold was balanced. Zhonyas was the most overtuned item in the game for fucking ever and now people are throwing tantrums that Riot finally balanced the damn thing. Guess what? Mages are still better than assassins. They're still going to be favored over assassins in pro play. They're still going to be better in Solo Q. And you people are still going to think they're weak because, despite every advantage you have over assassins, they can still kill you 1v1.

alfavhunter2/11/2016, 1:09:10 AM1 votes

Zonas needs 2 changes

1 the duration m of the active should be brought down to 1 second 2 the active should not be a full stasis but an immune to damage self disable (can walk around and Be CCed no damage, no spell casts, no AAs)

Then the stats of armor should be changed to higher values, the AP value is fine on it for a hybrid offense defense item, but with all the armor pen in the game zonas needs a bit more armor on it (10-20)

J Epstein2/11/2016, 1:15:59 AM1 votes

no need for zhonya buffs. Just remove the passive from item 3140 , add AD or MR to compensate, but keep the passive on item 3139 . Somebody needs to dedicate their build to item 3139 if they want the broken passive, just like any other player needs to dedicate their build for the item 3157 passive.

Evêñtfûl Hôrïzôñ2/11/2016, 1:38:02 AM1 votes

I agree. :3

WadeWilson13372/11/2016, 2:33:33 AM1 votes

The fact that Riot says they will not buff Zhonyas but allow Maw of Malmortius to be in the game is absolutely disgusting. ATLEAST buff Seekers Armguard to even COMPARE to Hexdrinker. I mean, if you are an ap mage and you lane against a zed who rushed hexdrinker and you rushed seekers, you probably cannot 1v1 him unless you are ahead. The fact that Jeromes Fist (probably mispelt that) and seekers have to stack is just a stupid idea. By the time you farm the 15 cs for it, chances are youve either been killed because you got into a fight/skirmish or you have already bought the upgraded item. The stacking component of Seekers Armguard is what makes the item so bad, just remove that part of it and give us like half the bonuses upfront so it is atleast somewhat fair. Or just add Magic pen to zhonyas. Really they need to introduce a new ap item to the game. ADs are overloaded with Maw, Mercurial, Youmoos, Duskblade, and Steraks at the moment.