You can solo baron with Ivern

Hell Week·Oct 8, 2016·4 votes·2,463 views

I just soloed baron for my team and won the game after. people who say ivern is bad have no freakin idea how good he can be.

http://puu.sh/rC7el/3b03ac5dea.jpg

29 Comments

Elite4RunnerOct 8, 20162 votes

All champions with pets have an easier time with aggro prioritizing monsters.

Anyone with good sustain and decent damage (mostly life steal) can solo Baron.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20161 votes

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All champions with pets have an easier time with aggro prioritizing monsters.

Anyone with good sustain and decent damage (mostly life steal) can solo Baron.

0 lifesteal my friend all auto attacks, and uhm let me see you do it with someone with a "pet" then. with just autos.... the guy is so bad rn his autos are his primary source of damage atm. if he gets buffed he will be broken with my build.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

im just saying so people can see he actually has potential.... he isnt as bad as people say.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

lololololol the hate coming from an informative post? uhm my team laughed and loled when i did it they didnt want to help me out because theyre just like you people "ivern is useless". he can be good if you know how to use him correctly.

Elite4RunnerOct 8, 20161 votes

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lololololol the hate coming from an informative post? uhm my team laughed and loled when i did it they didnt want to help me out because theyre just like you people "ivern is useless". he can be good if you know how to use him correctly.

They were probably not wanting to help because there was most likely a more important objective to take at the time. They were probably saying that "Ivern is useless", as in you and your decision making skills ... and probably your build, ... not the champion.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

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They were probably not wanting to help because there was most likely a more important objective to take at the time. They were probably saying that "Ivern is useless", as in you and your decision making skills ... and probably your build, ... not the champion.

yeah bro im so bad at ivern im totally useless

http://puu.sh/rC9cg/593d219676.jpg

that moment a yasuo cant beat your KD. damn dude keep on trying to hate. youre just talking out of your ass with 0 experience.

JayHog1992Oct 8, 20161 votes

This is the part where we ask "how".

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

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This is the part where we ask "how".

attack speed, dont follow riots AP build.

JayHog1992Oct 8, 20161 votes

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attack speed, dont follow riots AP build.

Can you be more specific?

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

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Can you be more specific?

no i cant ima abuse this on my own ;)

Fondling GemsOct 8, 20161 votes

Just because the OP said no, here are his 3 most recent Ivern ranked builds: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ka7n89v_2xZW85OUNYelhrSGs/view?usp=sharing

Ignore the Riven game, I am too lazy to crop.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20161 votes

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Just because the OP said no, here are his 3 most recent Ivern ranked builds: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ka7n89v_2xZW85OUNYelhrSGs/view?usp=sharing

Ignore the Riven game, I am too lazy to crop.

i dont play ranked lol after 4 years of league. koreans build him to kite, in my elo you dont really need frozen mallet when theyre bad.

Fondling GemsOct 8, 20161 votes

I have 0 idea what you are talking about. No one mentioned Korea, Frozen mallet, or anything like that. I was just taking your match history off Lolking.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20161 votes

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I have 0 idea what you are talking about. No one mentioned Korea, Frozen mallet, or anything like that. I was just taking your match history off Lolking.

i know? im just saying thats the regular build they use i go with Rageblade instead for the extra damage and attack speed for those who want to try it out.

forgot to mention i would take all AP runes u dont need attack speed runes imo with rageblade.

JayHog1992Oct 8, 20161 votes

Alright, thank you.

Elite4RunnerOct 8, 20161 votes

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This is the part where we ask "how".

I'm sure there are multiple ways to do it, including some off meta crap that is specifically cheesed with the intention of soloing Baron.

As I mentioned, one of the critical factors is Daisy. By juggling aggro she can essentially be his shield while they both deal damage to Baron and eventually he will fall. Daisy's health, damage, armor, and magic resistance all scale on AP. She will be up for a long time and her health regenerates VERY quickly when she is out of combat.

And of course all of Ivern's damage from his Q and bonus damage while in a bush scale on AP, along with his shield strength.

This means he tosses Daisy in to tank, places a bush near Baron and hides in it. Daisy and Ivern dish out as much damage as they can. Ivern shields Daisy as much as possible. Then when/if Daisy gets low enough that she may die, you command her to back out of threat range while you begin tanking. After her health has regenerated enough you bring her back in.

Ta-da, .. Dead Baron.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

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I'm sure there are multiple ways to do it, including some off meta crap that is specifically cheesed with the intention of soloing Baron.

As I mentioned, one of the critical factors is Daisy. By juggling aggro she can essentially be his shield while they both deal damage to Baron and eventually he will fall. Daisy's health, damage, armor, and magic resistance all scale on AP. She will be up for a long time and her health regenerates VERY quickly when she is out of combat.

And of course all of Ivern's damage from his Q and bonus damage while in a bush scale on AP, along with his shield strength.

This means he tosses Daisy in to tank, places a bush near Baron and hides in it. Daisy and Ivern dish out as much damage as they can. Ivern shields Daisy as much as possible. Then when/if Daisy gets low enough that she may die, you command her to back out of threat range while you begin tanking. After her health has regenerated enough you bring her back in.

Ta-da, .. Dead Baron.

No source of AP damage other than my item 3124 Ta-da to that my friend. Yes daisy scales with AP im mastery 5 ivern already 1 more S for 6... i mean i know everything about him atm. AP build is only good for late game, and even then youre useless. I rather go attack speed and i do more damage all game long. and no i did not build him this way to "intentionally" solo baron, this is his best build for damage its not about going cheese or what not. its called being smart and playing him the best possible way.... derp hate on brother. i didnt even know you could do it till i did it. prob no one did cause i saw a couple of posts " when ivern tries to solo dragon and dies" earlier.

If riot buffs him even a little this build will be even more broken.

Elite4RunnerOct 8, 20161 votes

im mastery 5 ivern already

Literally all that means is that you have spammed the hell out of him, and you are probably part of the reason that people are annoyed with him already.

I am not "giving you hate" because of your "informative post" .. which really isn't even that informative.

If anything, I am "giving you hate" because you are being arrogant.

Soloing Baron is something that most champions can do in the right situation. He isn't meant to be so much of a difficult objective to take, as a strategically difficult objective to take.

I would attribute a good deal of any success you have had with him so far to your opponents not knowing how to play against him because he has only been out for a few days.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20161 votes

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Literally all that means is that you have spammed the hell out of him, and you are probably part of the reason that people are annoyed with him already.

I am not "giving you hate" because of your "informative post" .. which really isn't even that informative.

If anything, I am "giving you hate" because you are being arrogant.

Soloing Baron is something that most champions can do in the right situation. He isn't meant to be so much of a difficult objective to take, as a strategically difficult objective to take.

I would attribute a good deal of any success you have had with him so far to your opponents not knowing how to play against him because he has only been out for a few days.

my team didnt even know about the double buffs. most of the time my teams dont have a clue how he works and i have to explain to them what i do and afterwards we win. bro play some ivern try to get an S for me and come back with a pic PLEASE, tell me how it goes for you. youre the one being arrogant, youre blinded with hate rn.

i spammed ivern pffftttt LOLOLOL. im no LCS pro but i can say im decent with him 100% positive about that. I invade lee sins not the other way around.

Elite4RunnerOct 8, 20161 votes

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my team didnt even know about the double buffs. most of the time my teams dont have a clue how he works and i have to explain to them what i do and afterwards we win. bro play some ivern try to get an S for me and come back with a pic PLEASE, tell me how it goes for you. youre the one being arrogant, youre blinded with hate rn.

You literally just said that your own team didn't even understand how he works. It is pretty safe to assume that your opponents don't either.

That is exactly my point. You are cheesing a champion that people have not gotten to understand yet and you think that your sucess means that you're any good.

I'm not saying that you aren't any good, but if you are able to continue to play well when your opponents figure him out, that would be a better indicator.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20161 votes

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You literally just said that your own team didn't even understand how he works. It is pretty safe to assume that your opponents don't either.

That is exactly my point. You are cheesing a champion that people have not gotten to understand yet and you think that your sucess means that you're any good.

I'm not saying that you aren't any good, but if you are able to continue to play well when your opponents figure him out, that would be a better indicator.

i gave first blood that game, people already know how weak and useless he is. I KNOW THAT MYSELF come on dude take a chill pill.

ApolloclipticOct 11, 20161 votes

Most Champions cannot solo Baron, it is designed to prevent it, and of many that can, they require full build and late game. Only a small number of champions can do it reliably, or they often need two, and Ivern can by around level 14/16 with half his items.

That's not what makes him good, the fact that he is good makes him good and people who can't play him, or see others who can't play him assume he is bad.

The number of people who have NEVER played him and call him bad is retarded, and all the false statements like he is useless 1v1, or he is easy to counter jungle, again, they haven't played him or against someone who can use him, because it's actually REALLY easy, and at points where he is behind, he survives, and a counter jungle that fails to take farm or kill is a loss on the one doing the counter jungling :/ even if he walks away without dying either

Elite4RunnerOct 12, 20161 votes

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Most Champions cannot solo Baron, it is designed to prevent it, and of many that can, they require full build and late game. Only a small number of champions can do it reliably, or they often need two, and Ivern can by around level 14/16 with half his items.

All you need is damage, resistances, and sustain.

The main reason that AP based champions don't do as well is simply because, most simply do not excel in at least two of these qualities without being full build.

Pretty much any AD based champion who can DPS with life steal and attack speed, as well as bruisers/juggernauts who can sustain long enough to deal a enough damage are able to do it.

They may not be building ideally, but they can also do it around 14/16 without full build. It may also take them a very long time and they may get dangerously low health to do it, but it can be done. The risk of it being stolen, or you simply being interrupted and killed is incredibly high. Also the amount of time it would take for you to do it on your own most likely means that you are not helping your team with a more important objective at the time.

However, as I mentioned in my post, all champions who have targetable pets have an even greater advantage when it comes to taking Baron and Dragons.

Ultimately, I would not recommend doing it just because you "can"

Gamer Girl PaigeOct 8, 20161 votes

So he is good because he can solo baron? Didn't know he was the only one that could.

Hell WeekOct 8, 20162 votes

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So he is good because he can solo baron? Didn't know he was the only one that could.

"people who say ivern is bad have no freakin idea how good he can be." key word here is CAN