Transition from Intro to Beginner

Naelinu··2 votes·6,988 views

As much as I really, really like this game, I'm starting to think it just isn't for me.

Playing Intro against AI I do pretty well, so it's not as if I haven't got the basics down. But if I play Beginner, it's really rather sad. My average game consists of no kills, lots of deaths, and some assists. Real asset. And it really doesn't matter what type of Champion I'm playing.

I've noticed that players start off with the more expensive items on Beginner, so I gave that a shot, until I realized I wasn't making enough money to buy much of anything.

Last game, a player told me to "stop rushing". Which I admit I do on occasion, and particularly in that game basically because I got frustrated. But you can't get kills if you're dead either though.

I'd like to get to the bread and butter of this game, PvP, but I wouldn't want subject my team to my crappy playing. And I just don't want to throw up my hands and give up. Help.

16 Comments

The Punchline5 votes

I honestly found Intro Bots to be the least helpful thing for learning. Stick to the Beginner Bot games until you really master Last Hitting (landing the final hit that kills the minion, thus earning the gold and experience for the kill.) It's also important to learn the limits of your chosen champions for each role. Remember that in PvP you won't always get top or whatever lane you happen to prefer, so it is best to learn at least 2 champions for each role before stepping into PvP. Refine a build for them, learn what works and what doesn't, how to be flexible with your build. Learn what you can and cannot do at what phase of the game, with what items. The worst thing to encounter in pvp is someone who played their way up on Bots, has no idea how their champion handles in a 'live fire' situation, and becomes flustered. Do your best as a new player to combat this by putting in the time needed to know those limits, and your future teams will appreciate it. Probably by silently playing alongside you, without thanking you.. but silence is far better than the derision this community is so famous for.

Best of luck on the Rift!

Dr Clueless PhD4 votes

"Playing Intro against AI I do pretty well, so it's not as if I haven't got the basics down."

The unfortunate reality is that you are wrong here. The basics of this game go well beyond being able to move your character and cast spells. Properly using an unlocked camera, being able to last hit, having map awareness and using wards... these are only a few of the things that are part of the basics of this game, and you probably don't have any of them yet.

I advise you look to some online sources for help figuring out what you need to do, like high-level streamers or guides written by high-level players. (High-level here doesn't mean level 30. It means your position on the Ranked ladder, like Diamond or higher.)

Naelinu2 votes

You are absolutely right. Anything in particular you'd recommend?

Dr Clueless PhD3 votes

Yeah. My recommendation is a specific approach to observing high-level play. It's really easy to watch someone who's 15-0 on Vayne end a game, but it doesn't tell you much. The important thing is figuring out how he got 15-0 in that game.

What you should do is, when you watch someone, you need to pick apart the things they do and why it's different from what you do. For example, you're watching some bot-lane play, and seeing the back-and-forth between supports and marksmen. Where are they standing, relative to the minions and each other? Where do you stand? Why are they positioned where they are? Some things are going to be more obvious, like watching people CS and learning how to do it. But, lots of things are subtle. Positioning is really hard for lots of people to pick up, and it's something you're always learning more about. Small changes make big differences, in that regard. Itemization is another thing to look long and hard at. It's easy to follow a "build" for a character, but good players don't do that. They buy the items they have to, in order to win, however they feel that is best accomplished. There are good and bad choices for items, don't get me wrong. But, knowing when you need to change your itemization plan is important.

Also, don't underestimate the effect of Runes and Masteries. Individually, yes, the effect is really small. But, collectively, they make a big difference. Proper Runes and Masteries is where a lot of your statistical power comes from in the early game, and it can give you a big advantage over people without them.

Edit: One more thing. Make sure you don't get so bogged down in mechanics and micro-level play that you neglect overall strategy. One thing that happens to a lot of players trying to get better is that they focus really hard on laning, matchups, and all these great things, but they still lose games because they don't know what they should be doing, where they should be doing it, and when. You need micro, but you also need macro. Both are important.

Turarthdur3 votes

To be honest its just takes practice, and as for items I would suggest going for 2-3 dorans early, or maybe playing champs like irelia where you want to build trinity force first (because it has a lot of inexpensive components)

Skia Asteri2 votes

One important thing to remember with bots is that for the most part they will never come in range of a tower if there is an enemy champion under it. If you are having a lot of trouble you can always back off and just try to farm minions when the wave gets to the tower. Being able to play safe in against an opponent you cannot beat is a very important skill to learn, though players will be more aggressive at getting you under towers.

Also, avoid fighting the bots there are not more of your minions around than their early on, for the first few levels minions are OP and will destroy you. Minions will prefer attacking other minions if they are near by, unless you attack a champion. Also if you kill minions faster you will reach level 2 sooner and have the advantage for a short while.

Consider picking up a few low level runes from the store (yellow armour and blue scaling magic resist) that will be useful on all champions to make things less difficult while you are still learning.

If you add me as a friend in game I could play with you and tell you more about what you are doing wrong.

(PS: they did not have Intro bots when I joined, but the jump from Beginner to Intermidiate was quite large)

To be honest its just takes practice, and as for items I would suggest going for 2-3 dorans early, or maybe playing champs like irelia where you want to build trinity force first (because it has a lot of inexpensive components)

Never go for more than one doran item. While they are more efficient that other basic items, getting more than two puts off your important items too long.

Naelinu2 votes

Thank you. And it seems that not having Intro was a good thing... because I thought I was decent but I'm still just as much a noob for having spent time playing it. Fun, but a waste of time if you want to really understand the game.

Naelinu2 votes

So I'm told that I don't right click enough and I'm not utilizing the range of my champion (Caitlyn).

AnomalousChimera3 votes

Right clicking is pretty important. You shouldn't be rooted in the same spot and should almost always be moving (in most cases). Also, I do hope that you have been autoattacking (right click) as you shouldn't only be using your abilities.

AnomalousChimera2 votes

The problem is that you played Intro matches in the first place. You should have played one Intro match at level 1 to learn about the game's interface and then move on immediately. You learn absolutely nothing from playing Intros. Do not go back to playing Intro matches. You should focus on lasthitting minions for gold vs. the bots. Don't harass/attack the bots unless you're in a dominant position. And as someone has already said, bots are very unlikely to tower dive, so staying behind the turret is usually a safe thing to do.

Skia Asteri2 votes

Oh yes, you could also go to custom games and search for "Platinium vs Silver" or something similar and spectate. (Type 'pl' into search). Then you can watch gold 1 and below players go against plat 5 and above players in order to learn to play better so they can reach higher ranks.

Sammander2 votes

Add me in game if you want, I'll be on later tonight. I'd play an easy bot game with you and try to tell you specific things that I think you could do to improve.

slamor1 votes

Add me ingame and I can help you.

Dryditch1 votes

Seconded! I'm not the best player, but i can try and help you out.

I'd also suggest watching a game or two from championship series. Pro players can teach so much about games, and the shout casters make stuff really clear.

Naelinu2 votes

Haha, I have been, that's what got me back into playing. :)

Dryditch1 votes

I'd play with you at some point this weekend, but I'm unfortunately on a weird network and the patcher doesn't seem to like it here.

Also... Good job for coming back. The game's really fun :)

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