Essence Reaver recipe consistency

minion AI··5 votes·783 views

Hello, I'm opening this thread to evoke what I consider being an inconsistency concerning the recipes of Essence Reaver. The components of an item are supposed the reflect its identity. For instance, when you wish to obtain a Thornmail, if you don't possess enough gold to buy it directly, you start getting minor armor items (Cloth Armor, Chain Vest). For some recipes, you can also choose a path of build according to your preferences (Glacial Shroud or Warden's Mail for Frozen Heart being a good example).

  • Context: Essence Reaver stands out of the other items because of its 10% cooldown reduction and its mana generation passive property. But, both can't be obtained before the entire item has been bought. I think it's a pity because it has tendency to deter me from buying it. The recipe is tough (B. F. Sword is hard to buy) and the item itself is pricey. If / When I gather its components I would rather get The Bloodthirster that possess a passive property way superior in early game for the same recipe. In my opinion Essence Reaver is an interesting middle game choice, but it doesn't justify the fact that we have to wait for this item's completion to get the two characteristics that are making its identity. The season 5 is about making choices, and strategic diversity. I do believe it's an interesting strategy to optimize farming time and movement with Essence Reaver and Statikk Shiv for instance. Essence Reaver have its place in current season, but I think it has to be adapted to get a better synergy with other items.

  • What I propose: When we think about cooldown reduction and mana regeneration, there is one item that stands out, Forbidden Idol. One may think this is a mage specific item but this item is neutral, and suits perfectly Essence Reaver's recipe. Additionally, it's a cheap item and it's important that a fighter or a marksman whose offensive potential highly depends on his spells could make the choice in early game to get mana regeneration without spending 3200 gold, and finish the recipe after having bought items more suitable for early game. Furthermore, with the season 5 changes on mana regeneration, this item would give more control on, and highlight even more this champion category whose statistic is higher than usual (Jinx, Sivir, Kog'Maw, Lucian, Ezreal and others, sort by mana regeneration). Afterwards, I think it would be more appropriate to remove the lifesteal component of this item. The new version or Doran's Blade and the high accessibility of Vampiric Scepter (Blade of the Ruined King, Ravenous Hydra, The Bloodthirster) have encouraged alternatives build start for some champions, like Doran's Blade + Infinite Edge or Vampiric Scepter + Statikk Shyv, which represents very well the actual tendency to get lifesteal separately in order to privilege a more interesting item. I think every player should be able to make the choice to invest in cooldown reduction and mana regeneration without getting lifesteal. Additionally, this change would reduce the amount of this very pricey item despite its utility aspect. Proposed recipe: B. F. Sword + Forbidden Idol + 750 gold Proposed remake:
  • Lifesteal component removed
  • Total price reduced to 2900 gold

Thank you for reading, I tried to make it as clear as possible.

13 Comments

IronChefBoyardee3 votes

Or what about 2 Fairy charms + current build and no change?

minion AI1 votes

I'd like to have a cooldown reduction build path too.

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

The issue is that Essence Reaver is an item for ADCs, at least in part. Riot wants to keep it at 80 AD, with the other BF sword items. Additionally, as a frequent adc player, I want to buy AD and lifesteal, not mana regen, on my adcs. So, while I agree with the premise, that the recipe isn't exactly consistent, I don't want it changed. It would significantly reduce my incentive to buy this item if it had forbidden idol on it, since I want more AD primarily, and the cdr/mana regen is kind of the nice perk of the completed item.

To give you context on that, let me tell you the only champion I buy this on (on SR). It's Varus, and I rush it. Why? Because I spam Qs at people, and they are very strong early since I am buying a bunch of AD. I enjoy finishing the item because I get that mp5 and cdr, but the main thing is that I can get that BF and keep trading well in my lane. The vamp scepter helps me out early, as well, and without it I would likely be poked harder than I can poke, more often than not. I find that its recipe, while not exactly sensical, is exactly what I need for my playstyle. Thoughts?

Hullabaloo9073 votes

I agree with you on the point that this is an adc item and the finished product is in a good place, but building it is a pain. I like it on varus, and on ezreal, but i usually need another item first to keep up in damage. A lot of champs can rush a shiv and out-trade me hard, or rush a botrk and have a lot more damage, so building an item for mana regen that doesnt have any mana regen in the recipe is a pain.

CoolKnightST3 votes

Some time ago they where testing a new recipe for Essence Reaver. But they removed it soon after. It seems to be difficult to find a good recipe while keeping it's original stats. Every recipe has his own problems. The original recipe item 1037 + item 1053 was a problem because it was really hard to acces for an adc & didn't provide enouge stats for the lategame. While now the recipe is fine but it has a mirror build with item 3072.

So far they tried everything:

  • item 1037 + item 1053
  • item 1038 + item 1053
  • item 1038 + (new item build from item 1053 )

If I was riot I would go back to the item 1037 by letting item 1037 build into a new item that has that 10% cdr so you get:

  • (new item build from item 1037 ) + item 1053

This new item could give 40 AD, 10% cdr. The price could be arround the price from item 1038. I think a item like that could be verry intressting for AD casters & it will also give option to build it towards other items. Maybe whe could even aply it as now build for item 3022 .

It's doesn't seem to be that riot want to give acces to the Essence Reaver passive early in the game. Now you think about it. The passive scales relative hard & it wouldn't have that of a impact early game without AD anyway. I think for that price whe will be better off with "40 AD, 10% cdr" than an item that gives "30 AD, 10% cdr and the passive".

IwfiKe3qjM1 votes

For me... the problem for Essence Reaver recipe is BF Sword... maybe if they change the BF Sword into some new item that grant mana passive...

Vamp Scepter is OK... but if they decide to keep BF Sword... Vamp Scepter must built to new item that grant mana passive...

Hullabaloo9073 votes

The B.F. Sword is supposed to be not fun to buy. It is a way of gating early power.

Duke Anax1 votes

B.F. Sword is the problem in all of the B.F. items, that's the entire point. To make it difficult to get that kinda powerspike.

Removing it, would change some of the base Identity of Essence Reaver.

However they should make an alternative item that is easier to build, Maybe so:

Spectral Blade item 3144 + item 3114 25 AD 10% cdr +60% mana regen

unique passive: your attacks deal 8% of your current mana as physical damage and restore 3% of your missing mana.

unique active: deals 150 + 10% maximum mana magic damage and restoring the same amount of mana to you. Additionally slows target by 25% for 3s (90 s cooldown)

It has some synergy with Muramana, by locking the mana flow and thus the damage output of both items at 50%.

Duke Anax1 votes

Adding forbidden Idol, would give it that mana regen and cdr, but it would remove the stealing aspect.

However Essence reaver is by far the cheapest B.F. item, so why not make it bigger and add both?


***Essence Reaver *** item 1038 + item 1053 + item 3114 + 450 = 3400

80 AD 10% cdr 12% Life steal +100% mana regen

same passive.

minion AI1 votes

I proposed to remove the lifesteal component rather than keeping it for several reasons:

  • Even with a Forbidden Idol, Essence Reaver reveal it's full mana sustain potential in its final form. For me choosing between Muramana and Essence Reaver is answering this question: "Am I playing with high attack damage ratios or am I playing with attack speed and auto-attack resets ?". If I'm in the first case and I want to get better health sustain, I'd like to buy The Bloodthirster without it to feel awkward because of the total 30% lifesteal (in my opinion The Bloodthirster counters assassins very hard and it saved me countless times from a Zed for instance).

  • You can get a full Essence Reaver sooner since it costs less and still use your Doran's Blade for health sustain, to buy other items faster.

  • Currently this is an all-in-one item and I don't think that's the way items should be designed.

minion AI1 votes

Uporino.

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