Why are we still banning Zed...

Swoofy··4 votes·2,472 views
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Why are we still banning Zed?

Laning Power/ Meta Shift Zed's laning power isn't as over powered as it used to be when season 6 changes where introduced and that led for Zed being a power house of a pick since thoughs changes led to the meta shift of Late Game Picks/CC Picks/Tanks there over powered back in Season 5, and how in the beginning of Season 6 where the game switched into a more of a Mid Game Picks /Snowballing Picks/Good Laning Phase Picks. These changes let for Zed to being a powerhouse since he is a

-Mid Game Champ

  • He can snowball the Mid game by his amazing gap closer and his assassinations
  • And somewhat good laning phase also increased with thunderlords( being so good on Zed for laning harass )

He was super good in the meta.

But Zed has gotten direct and in-direct nerfs to his laning power.

First the Zed shurikens nerfs where the dps is down, but the the most shurikens you hit the more dps you do. The reason why Zed was so good before the nerfs was since he can just ult someone, Q&E someone and there dead due to the Zed ult pop. Now that the average Zed player can't do that that since the average Zed player wouldn't be too good at Zed. Zed's laning Phase was so important since he would need to be able to snowball, but now that his laning phase harass is now lowered, it makes it a lot harder to kill someone, Zed is a snowballing champ, if its harder for the average Zed player to snowball, then the champ is basically useless since a average Zed player wouldn't usually know how to team fight or play from behind, but for the Zed main this is also very f*cking annoying, but they can play around the more shurikens hit the more dps they output. Still a nerd to Zed's laning phase overall.

They nerfed the Zed ult pop since of the new Duskblade coming out, so you can't burst someone as much as you used to before. Right now Zed's Core Items are Yoummu's and Duskblade. -Youmuu's = 32000 (Usually's Zed's First Item) -Duskblade = 3250 (Usually's Zed's Second Item) #FakerBuild

It takes a whole 3250 gold and with Zed's first item delaying Duskblade, also including Pots, Boots, and situational items. Even though this item was ment for assassins, but Zed took it the worst since not only did Zed have to take a Nerf for the Duskblade not to be OP on him, since the pops stack, hes initiation power that his ult pop had can't be restored without the duskblade which takes a lot of gold if you can't get a lead, which is harder since of the nerfs to his Q and in-direct nerfs.

His Shadow (w) cool down has been nerfed to 22 seconds at first rank! Another reason why was so good at laning since this was much much more lower than 22 seconds, so Zed can get a lot of burst in just one combo, and you add Thunderlords back then, that could nearly 2 shot a person. Now with this, a average Zed player can't just use his shadow to get free harass, he needs it to ESCAPE! He is so gankable with this gank and that could keep Zed from snowballing the game.

And the in-direct nerf to his laning was nerfs to thunderlords since that make Zed become so strong in lane since of this W>E>Q combo and adding the Thunderlords, that could nearly half shot someone. With nerfs to that, that lead Zeds Combo to be a lot less deadly.

He isn't good cause hes AD/Highrisk/Needs Time to Learn well

The number 1 best Midlane champ right now is Malzahar with a 55.29% winrate, and that is a direct counter to Zed. Also Malz has the highest win rate in the whole game.

Galio has the second highest winrate with a 55.25% rate cause of his crazy high base damage and being able to counter all AP Mids, which the top 10 best winrates are AP!

Link: http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle

Legit the top 25 highest winrate mids are AP, and there are only 3 AD, and 2 of them have below 50% win rates.

**Overall Zed ** Winrate: 46.67% Banrate: 81.45%

Ps: I did no edits. I will check later

36 Comments

Swoofy1 votes

Swagger

Ralanr4 votes

Because we don't know or really want to deal with him. He's such a frustration on the gaming community (not just these forums, his banrate as a whole showcases how much people do not like fighting him) as a whole that even low and high elo players can agree he is annoying and frustrating to fight.

Swoofy1 votes

Yeah, hes annoying to play against

Leblancs Boob4 votes

... Did you just call Zed high risk...?

Swoofy2 votes

When I say that I mean High risk high reward

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Again - where's that risk in?

SwiftKitten883 votes

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... Did you just call Zed high risk...?

yeah the only risk to zed is if you accidentally swap to your shadow when you didn't mean to...

Critmaster Garen3 votes

because adc and mid laners in lower divisions dont know how to deal with assassins, since people dont peel and they dont know how to kite.

Swoofy1 votes

Very true, but lower elo tent not to know how to play zed that effectively ... But the source I use is only take Plat and up

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Very true, but lower elo tent not to know how to play zed that effectively ...

but hes a common pick for boosters, and smurphs since he can carry extremely hard in those divisions.

it only needs one d1 booster to destroy a game, and you have 9 people who will permaban him when they dont have first pick.

yasuo too.

Swoofy1 votes

True as well, but the top playing jungles all can gank well and be able to take advantage of Zed's long W cooldown

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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True as well, but the top playing jungles all can gank well and be able to take advantage of Zed's long W cooldown

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle

in lower divisions no one knows how to take advantage of anything.

youre right. i chose garen as a mid lane counterpick to zed before his nerfs and generally did well against him. its not hard to abuse his w cooldown. hes a sitting duck without energy and his dash.

but i bet you can spectate a couple bronze and silver games and no one will react to him just using his w to poke.

Swoofy1 votes

Thats true... man, these boosters man

MunchCrunchLunch5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44eEXq2o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-03T01:29:41.145+0000)

because adc and mid laners in lower divisions dont know how to deal with assassins, since people dont peel and they dont know how to kite.

he has a higher ban rate in korea challenger than he does in na

Swoofy1 votes

Really? I didn't know that. Thats intereting

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Really? I didn't know that. Thats intereting

yeah its like 91% over there

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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he has a higher ban rate in korea challenger than he does in na

challenger is another story. weirdly enough he gets stronger in top teir play again, since those players are skilled enough that the nerf to his q doesnt affect them much at all.

basically in low devisions hes strong because he hard carries games against bad opponents even when his kit isnt used to full effect. in top teir play hes strong because the nerfs didnt affect thos players and hes one of those champions with high outplay potential.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=44eEXq2o,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2016-07-03T01:38:18.257+0000)

challenger is another story. weirdly enough he gets stronger in top teir play again, since those players are skilled enough that the nerf to his q doesnt affect them much at all.

your not making any sense at all you just contradicted yourself.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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your not making any sense at all you just contradicted yourself.

no. im saying in low divisions, champion balance doesnt exist anyways. people will just ban him because they dont know how to deal with assassins.

around plat and diamond hes probably bad because people have a generally better understanding how to counterplay him, and his players dont have the mechanical skills to compensate and squeeze everything they can out of his kit.

only his mains in challenger and masters can play well enough to still peform great with him after the q changes.

what im saying is. people have ptsd in low divisions from when he was stronger and from smurphs and boosters using him, hes mediocre in high divisions and op in masters.

Swoofy2 votes

The thing is that in challenger, hes not played much since there are just better picks like Azir, TF, and Viktor. Control mages

Çhåryzård3 votes

Because I don't trust my teammates enough to not feed him

Eedat1 votes

Because we don't like him that's why

Swoofy1 votes

lol

Sukishoo1 votes

Cause we just hate his face... duh.

Swoofy1 votes

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Sukishoo1 votes

AH!!! HE'S STARING AT ME!!!!

Swoofy1 votes

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Tannk7951 votes

My biggest concern as a low elo adc main is lack of peel. And I literally can't do anything to stop him. He can W, Flash, Ult from off my screen if he wanted to (not the best idea but still lol) and as an adc with lack off cc, I cannot stop him from one shotting me. Does this give him a higher chance of winning? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that a Zed exists in the game is enough to put a lot of Mages and ADC's on tilt.

Swoofy1 votes

The feels man

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

Why do people still play Lee sin

Nahui1 votes

Rank 1 CD is actually 22 seconds, not 20 on his ult.

Swoofy1 votes

Fixed, thanks

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Legit the top 25 highest winrate mids are AP, and there are only 3 AD, and 2 of them have below 50% win rates.

And that's fine because 3 other lanes are dominated by AD champions.

Aaravos1 votes

Until item 3155 exist and you want to play a magic damage dealer Zed will be always banned unless get gutted to the oblivion. I think if we want balanced and healthy assasins in this game who can do his job item 3155 item 3156 need to be gone or at least heavily changed.

Zed isn't banned because of his raw strenght. He is banned because of the fustration and difficulty he can cause for you after item 3155 . You need to hug tower and safe farm somehow and let Zed roam if you don't want to get rekted. And nobody likes to hug tower and get flamed by the bot lane because letting the lane opponent to roam, but you simply can't fight a Zed with item 3156.

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