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Skin Shard Rerolls - A change is needed

Zachiemon··19 votes·29,148 views

So recently after painstaking months I was able to collect 3 legendary skin shards, Project Yi MasterYi , Gatekeeper Galio Galio and Star Guardian Ahri Ahri . Seeing as I own none of those champions, (even though those are some amazing skins!), I decided to reroll them. To my surprise I received Sacred Sword Janna Janna skin permanent (champ not owned). I was horribly misinformed about the reroll system and had assumed that I would at least gain a shard of similar quality or higher. Taking that epic skin shard I rerolled it again with 2 more epic skin shards to then gain a legacy skin for 750 rp which was when I lost all hope and haven't touched League since. None of this is anyone's fault other than my own, but knowing that others, like me, might feel disappointed after waiting to reroll 3 good shards together to then get similar chances of what they can get if say, they rerolled 3 750 rp skins is quite unfair/pointless.

My suggestion was to give better drops for better rerolls. Rerolling 3 legendary skin shards? Get a skin shard/have a higher chance to gain a skin shard of the same quality or at least provide chance for similar rarity items with a low rarity skin, like a hextech crafting gemstone. Reward players who have the patience to wait to reroll rather than allow them the same chance as any other reroll items. My amazing skins shards have gone down the drain, (as is the case for any who lose at gambling, which is what this system is.), but to know that it is possible to gain better reroll items by using better items should definitely be taken into consideration.

What say you?!

33 Comments

Nea10412 votes

Disenchanting Skin Shards feels even more unfair :/

FutureCreator7 votes

It's because they inexplicably reduced the Orange Essence gained from disenchanting them, while leaving the Orange Essence required to purchase them the same. There was literally no reason to do this when BE replaced IP, the only excuse they gave was that "people will be getting a lot more skin shards", I don't see that as being the case.

Modl Ryden l3 votes

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It's because they inexplicably reduced the Orange Essence gained from disenchanting them, while leaving the Orange Essence required to purchase them the same. There was literally no reason to do this when BE replaced IP, the only excuse they gave was that "people will be getting a lot more skin shards", I don't see that as being the case.

They stated that they were putting in methods to receive more loot boxes from events, whether it's event missions or event bundles, which they have delivered on. Therefore OE values are reduced. So if you really want to benefit more from Orange Essence, buy more loot boxes, especially during events, and you'll save more on cosmetics.

The Orange Essence change was done so players couldn't just horde OE from the mastery chests and get "good" loot from it.

Zachiemon2 votes

Actually here my problem isn't with the orange essence or mastery chests. Riot has worked to make it easier to get more "rewarding" rewards with the help of chests through missions. That part of the system is working well to me. As a player, I would like better rewards from the chests, but as a developer I understand where they're coming from and think what they have in place works without needing major changes. What I believe is the reroll system hasn't changed much since its addition into League. Correct me if I am wrong, but skin rerolls were never changed or tweaked in any way after the initial design, which I don't think should be the case for any designed feature in a game.

Zachiemon2 votes

Hmm, I haven't experienced this as harshly. I never expected to get anything good from chest drops ever. (Not a generally lucky guy). So disenchanting skins I didn't want, were pretty standard to me whether they gave me decent amounts of orange essence or not. Especially if what l Ryden l says is true it would be possible to eventually get enough orange essence to unlock the skin shard into permanent. What exactly about the disenchanting do you feel is unfair? That way we can talk about maybe possible improvements for it. :D

Chοvy1 votes

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Hmm, I haven't experienced this as harshly. I never expected to get anything good from chest drops ever. (Not a generally lucky guy). So disenchanting skins I didn't want, were pretty standard to me whether they gave me decent amounts of orange essence or not. Especially if what l Ryden l says is true it would be possible to eventually get enough orange essence to unlock the skin shard into permanent. What exactly about the disenchanting do you feel is unfair? That way we can talk about maybe possible improvements for it. :D

No way you're that stupid to reroll 3 skins of huge value in stead of dissing them, without checking online if there are any instances where people got better rewards for rerolling "bigger" skins. That is just you being ignorent on you're part buddy! Nevertheless i like the idea and 100% support it!Sylas

Godhri4 votes

While this topic is no skin off my back cause I buy all the shit I want from Riot, my 2 cents is: You have an opportunity to obtain for free what someone else was paid good money to make for profit. I admit the odds are not ideal, but it is part of the grind. You gamble, you should expect there to be losses.

PhDs Nuts7 votes

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While this topic is no skin off my back cause I buy all the shit I want from Riot, my 2 cents is: You have an opportunity to obtain for free what someone else was paid good money to make for profit. I admit the odds are not ideal, but it is part of the grind. You gamble, you should expect there to be losses.

When you gamble, the cost is supposed to be proportional to the reward. You don't play the quarter slots to win the penny slots grand prize. You wouldn't join a $100 poker table if the prize was $150.

Godhri4 votes

I'd say it is pretty damn proportional considering you're not losing any money and are gaining something that has monetary value.

PhDs Nuts3 votes

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I'd say it is pretty damn proportional considering you're not losing any money and are gaining something that has monetary value.

If skins have monetary value, so do skin shards. You can very much lose out on potential value when some skins, and skin shards, are worth more than others.

Godhri4 votes

Except you never spent anything to get the shards. You never invested anything more than time. We can argue semantics all day long but the reality is that it is pretty proportionate considering you never actually spend any money.

Tyler Fkn WannaB2 votes

I know it was 11 months ago, but holy shit ... the amount of explanation you had to do. Kudos to you for sticking in this painful conversation.

turbösatan2 votes

Except he was completely wrong

Tyler Fkn WannaB3 votes

Explain. He's not wrong at all. You don't spend money, so you're not losing anything. Who cries over getting something for free anyway?

SoraGasai1 votes

How do you gain money? Hard work and time? hmm? Sounds like to me i do that same thing in lol why can't i be rewarded for playing the game? as a guy who has spent well over 200$ on this game and i have no issue buying things i want instead of leaving it to chance they grind is much more harder even for regular champ alone i mean fuck no one i knows uses RP to buy champs yet the only way to gain a size able amount is to lvl up and get a champ capsule which is also random which i am ok with its a loot box but if i knew lol would become this money hungry like ea i would have taken my cash and time else where. I mean i like the game but i think its bs that they have stripped down rewards to events which we have had in the past by the way and limit to getting hex tech chests to champs we play and it reset only once a year.

Zachiemon2 votes

Just as a sidenote, I do agree with your point about the fact that all of this is free for players and they lose nothing but time to invest and gain rewards with the system. The "gambling" system is sound especially when used solely for cosmetics and not things that provide an edge in the game. I am sure we all can agree on this. You both have sound arguments about the system, all I am saying is if they have this reroll mechanic, where is the difference between reroll low quality skins versus high quality? Don't you think there should be a difference? Say you bet a certain amount on a horse to win a race, if you were to bet a lower value your winnings would be lower, but if you were to bet a large amount the winnings would also be significantly higher. Losing is part of gambling and I understand that, but here I am not losing, just gaining something which is not on par with what I invested into the gamble in the first place.

Get Jinxxd3 votes

just reroll 520s, that's my new rule and ive been satisfied because ive gotten a legendary and a few epics for skins I wouldn't want otherwise

Zachiemon1 votes

I understand what you mean here and this was the conclusion I came to by the end of my whole situation. Where is the difference though? Rarity of items in any game is to give them more value above others but when it comes back to the reroll system it seems to not change anything. Yes, any reroll can give you a low chance at a skin shard of real high quality but is it alright that rerolling 3 skins of the same quality changes these chances by nothing?

Acheron162 votes

Never reroll anything above 580 OE.

You're always better off disenchanting than rerolling them.

Zachiemon1 votes

Yeah I understand that now. I really wish I hadn't made this mistake. I am so out of playing League at the moment, this being one of the reasons which threw me over the edge. 3 legendary skins shards![sg-shisa]

Acheron161 votes

I still have a Nunu Bot skin shard that I got when Hextech crates were implemented. I'll wait as long as it takes to unlock it.

xSlaVx2 votes

Why are you complaining when riot gives you FREE skins ...

ChasmOfTrossm2 votes

No, this is not your fault. This is RIOT's fault because they designed the fucking system. It doesn't take a brainstem to reach the conclusion that rolling higher value skins should yield a higher value reward and not a lower one. But this is Riot's way of ensuring they don't lose money by giving away too many legendary skins, since I can guarantee you at the very beginning I was rolling legendaries left and right, and even got spirit guard Udyr.

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Same shit happened to me... Rerolled a few skins and got SKT T1 Azir (ended up buying the champion, but still it's dumb af)

Zachiemon1 votes

I feel your pain man. Now knowing what I know, I would never have rerolled those skin shards. (Made a mistake and want to wish I hadn't, Turn back time and all that). Just felt how wasted my whole effort of waiting to get similar quality items before rerolling. Depressed about those lost skin shards. Wish I could get them back! [sg-janna]

BEST MEAT BALLS1 votes

the whole system depends on luck ... it is the same system as the mystery gifting or the mystery chest which u buy from the shop... so no changes needed i guess .. if your luck is good you will get great skin if your luck is too bad you will get toxic mundo lol

Zachiemon1 votes

Yes and luck is a huge part about this system, which makes it appealing for most. Riot even worked towards "bad luck" protection for the chest drops, but here I talk about the reroll system/sub-system in specific. There is no problem with it being luck based, I wouldn't have it any other way especially since they are entirely cosmetic and given for free. My only point was that, there should be some change to the algorithm to give higher chances of good items if the player went through the trouble to reroll good quality items as well.

ZEDsecretlyROSÉ1 votes

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the whole system depends on luck ... it is the same system as the mystery gifting or the mystery chest which u buy from the shop... so no changes needed i guess .. if your luck is good you will get great skin if your luck is too bad you will get toxic mundo lol

lol, I bought a few chests hoping to strike some luck, but I rerolled and got a yorick skin (I don't have yorick) . I was like nothing is worse than that, so I rerolled and got toxic mundo.

Divine Ambition1 votes

I had an insane luck-streak for about a month and I got 11 epic shards and 5 legendaries. It's fucking cool 'n all, but I need 19,150 OE to upgrade them all. Shit's wack yo. I can't even reroll them, because the chances of me receiving a lower quality skin is substantially higher than receiving one of equal or greater value. I can only wait to get shitty shards that I can disenchant*[sg-janna]*

SirHydro1 votes

Riot keeps doing this.

People keep buying skins.

People keep buying Trial/Mission passes.

Riot is making a profit.

Why should Riot stop making a profit?

Epilepsiiiiija1 votes

They are not losing any profit by giving better skins from rerolls :DD They are just making people more happier

SirHydro1 votes

Riot isn't really losin any profit, at all.

I don't approve of the way they run their loot system, but......

I am glad that it exists....however flawed it is....it's there......and that's a start.

Thing is, "too little, too late"

I play this game entirely reacreationally now, on the side, as a cool down from other games.

I notice a remarkable decrease in my toxicity.

And I continue to find more and more momments where I don't rage when I used to

I just don't care anymore......and that kind of lets me enjoy the game more

Like I used to. So maybe that's the best advice to give to anyone about this game:

Just take a step back. Divorce yourself from the game and spend a bit of time apart.

Then instead of moving back in, just go on a few dates now and then and keep it casual.

You might find the friend in your ex all over again.

You may never get back together.

But you found your old friend.

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