The Disgusting Tank Meta

TWICE DahMo·Jun 8, 2016·4 votes·984 views

This Meta is absolutely disgusting why are tanks doing more damage then everyone while building just tank items. Riot you need to get your shit together and fix this.

17 Comments

zlumpyJun 8, 20166 votes

They can do it right about the same time they tone down assassins.

NahuiJun 8, 20163 votes

Assassins are fine.

zlumpyJun 8, 20168 votes

Then so are tanks

The Minion huntJun 8, 20161 votes

tanks have high base damage, most are weak very early, and fall off late game, tanks (most) are mid game champs. A fed tank is annoying, for good reason it is their job to be. If every tank was like Alistair this game would suck. and a lot of tanks give up cc for damage olaf, daruis, trundle, shyv(except me) all which I consider carry style tanks (none of these champs have real gap close for a reason). Rather then sej, malphite.

zlumpyJun 8, 20161 votes

Plus most tanks have a rough time taking objectives solo or even getting to an objective at a decent speed.

EcchiOtakuTMJun 9, 20162 votes

Olaf, darius, trundle and shyv aren't tanks.

Tanks have survivability and CC built into their kit heavily those champs are bruisers not tanks.

NahuiJun 9, 20161 votes

Assassins kill in 2 seconds, they die in 2 seconds. Tanks kill in two seconds, they die in 10 seconds.

zlumpyJun 9, 20161 votes

Are we talking tanks like Zac, Taric, leona, Tahm kench, or even malphite? Because none of those tanks do that. But if you specific ones that are more like bruiser juggernauts like darius, olaf, irelia then yes they kill the crap out of squishy heros. If you mean garen...well I hate him too. He is stupidly overloaded atm and does well at all points in the game. I geuss when I think tanks I think characters like braum not characters like jax or riven.

NahuiJun 9, 20161 votes

Tanks like Garen, Tahm Kench specifically come to mind when it comes to outputting high amounts of damage. However, "tanks" don't refer to the class tanks. They refer to the act of building tanky. And that is what is going on now, where you are forced to build 1-2 survival items and team fights come down to who can keep the other CC'd the longest. It was the absolute worst when ADCs ran Steraks, but that was toned down. Currently champs like Malz, Vlad, Swain, Ekko, Maokai, etc. are extremely strong because of the damage they can dish out with building tanky. When assassins are popular, sure they dish out very strong burst, but they go down just as easily as their target does. One wrong move or one well-timed play by the enemy and you're done. Tanks don't have such a gateway. They mess up, their extended health bars allow them to redo, specifically Ekko. Sure, it's an exaggeration to compare tank damage to assassin, however when killing squishies, both do it with relative efficiency, the difference being one does it all in damage, one does it in severe damage and with CC so someone else can finish them off, being Maokai, Malphite, etc. However, "tank" champions like Ekko, Swain, and Garen have extreme damage packed into their kits along with great tankiness through itemization.

zlumpyJun 9, 20161 votes

I think this says more about the state of squishies than it does tanks. A character that builds 0 defensive options is going to have a hard time staying alive if no one is watching out for them. Plus if we didnt have takier builds then skill shot poke/nukers would rain supreme. If all it took was 1 ahri q to knock off half a persons hp to multiple targets a good majority of characters would become very pointless to play. Plus if a character like Tahm is pounding your backline adc either your team got out maneuvered or that squishy isnt paying attention very well. But look what happens when an adc gets a kit designed for kiting. Kalista got nerfed (pretty sure wasnt around much over the last year) because she was almost impossible to catch for some heros. Didnt matter what you did unless you had a targeted cc she just danced around and killed you. Squishy damage dealers also have plenty of itemization choices for dealing damage to tanky heros. If your problem is specificlly with champions like irellia or jax then say that. Because a blanket statement of all tanky classes are OP is kind of absurd.

NahuiJun 9, 20161 votes

My problem is with all the tanky builds that are in turn putting out huge damage, easier just to call them tanks. People call them tank ekko and tank fizz, so it's just easier to label them all under tank.

The main problem with tanks are the items such as iceborn gauntlet, sunfire cape, and deadman's plate providing more than reasonable damage to items that are very tanky, adding on more damage to the kit of the tank. Tanks such as Sejuani, Amumu, rammus; they're fine because their kits provide very little actual damage and high CC. Champions like maphite, mao kai, ekko, fizz, sometimes akali, Poppy, etc. are given so much damage on the damage that they already have and making them just as tankier makes fighting them very frustrating.

Critmaster GarenJun 9, 20161 votes

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If you mean garen...well I hate him too. He is stupidly overloaded atm and does well at all points in the game.

http://champion.gg/champion/Garen

right now its hard to do well on him even as a main. he needs a buff to get back on his feet.

its sad actually, a couple of patches ago he was in a really good spot. high winrate for experienced mains, below 50% winrate for people who are new on him, and overall decent while not being too strong. at least around plat. higher up it got iffy again, but still not terrible.

zlumpyJun 9, 20161 votes

I dunno based on those stats he is balanced pretty well atm. His lane phase stats show him winning lane a lot. He only falls off ina long game because everyone else finally catchs up to his farm. Most of the characters that counter him are either very niche or are considered very strong atm. Anytop that can use ignite and still have enough sustain to stay in lane forever seems kinda unfair to me. If they wanna buff him they should load his power into endgame and make his early game less oppressive.

Critmaster GarenJun 9, 20161 votes

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I dunno based on those stats he is balanced pretty well atm. His lane phase stats show him winning lane a lot. He only falls off ina long game because everyone else finally catchs up to his farm. Most of the characters that counter him are either very niche or are considered very strong atm. Anytop that can use ignite and still have enough sustain to stay in lane forever seems kinda unfair to me. If they wanna buff him they should load his power into endgame and make his early game less oppressive.

he has 4% playrate, which means that only dedicated mains are playing him right now.

and less than 50% winrate.

those stats arent decent, they are pretty terrible. a couple of patches ago he was at generally 50% winrate with almost 57% on experienced garen players. thats how most champion statistics look like and should look like.

just look through a couple of the other champions who are decent but not op right now. and compare that to where garen currently is.

even nasus whos generally not doing well has at least a decent winrate on his mains.

garen needs a buff. not a huge buff, but something to get him back into the game. the recent patches have done a number on him.

zlumpyJun 9, 20161 votes

Ever think that maybe garen can do well but still lose the game (affecting his winrate despite a good performance) because he doesnt bring much to team fights outside of deleting a squishy or ksing the hell out of other players who probably need the money more than he does. Seriously he can decimate his own teams gold distribution to the point where when he isnt around its almost a gaurenteed loss for the others players on his team. Garen plays for garen. If the enemy team plays in a way that punishes that then geuss what garen will end up losing. So no I don't think a super selfish mainly split push/ks hero needs a buff. Before you say but Irellia!? She DOES show up to team fights and generally carries in a TEAM fight.

Critmaster GarenJun 9, 20161 votes

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Ever think that maybe garen can do well but still lose the game (affecting his winrate despite a good performance) because he doesnt bring much to team fights outside of deleting a squishy or ksing the hell out of other players who probably need the money more than he does. Seriously he can decimate his own teams gold distribution to the point where when he isnt around its almost a gaurenteed loss for the others players on his team. Garen plays for garen. If the enemy team plays in a way that punishes that then geuss what garen will end up losing. So no I don't think a super selfish mainly split push/ks hero needs a buff. Before you say but Irellia!? She DOES show up to team fights and generally carries in a TEAM fight.

lol. garen is just as made to carry as irelia.

if someone shows up to skirmishes and teamfights is a matter of the player, not the champion.

you usually have one of two jobs in these situations. stay back next to your marksman and take out assassins and front liners who are trying to dive on him. or dive into the enemy team with the help of a tank and take out a priority target.

in fact his entire villain mechanic is focused around shutting down enemy players on kill streaks, which means the shutdown gold will be distributed to his team.

a couple of patches ago, garen did his job well. he wasnt op, but if you were experienced on the champion youd usually win a lot more games than you lost, which is normal for almost every champion. what changed is not garens mechanics or how he plays, but buffs and nerfs of other champions and most noticably the boot enchant removal and the swifities nerfs.

what changed is that hes got some heavy indirect nerfs and isnt performing well anymore, so now he needs buffs to compensate.

but until he got those nerfs he was functioning well as a carry within a team.

zlumpyJun 9, 20161 votes

I was mostly refering to the fact that Irellia can tear through a team faster than a Taco bell cheesy potato burrito can tear through a persons guts, but garen mostly just goes for 1 guy. If he fails to get that target he is usually left standing there with nothing to do or has to speed boof himself back out of the fight. I know its a low rank thing but a lot of garens are super greedy to the point of harming their own team. Obviously this isnt true of all players but tends to be the case in normals and low elo.

Honestly I think he is in need of a complete overhaul more than just simple buffs. He is a reflection of simpler times and needs to be brought forward. Same goes for a lot of pure mobility based heros. Most of them are just too niche pick atm.

I would love if he lost the vilian and self dmg reduction, but gained the ability to apply his silence to his spin while buffed and a passive or active slightly lower dmg reduction that applied to allies as well. And some friggen resources. He has too much free stuff even with longer cooldowns early on.