Jokes aside, what are you supposed to do against Fiora?

Cowgirl Ed·Jan 25, 2016·77 votes·6,685 views

Early game: lane bully Mid game: skirmishes master Late game: one shots everybody

Has more HP than our Sion and deals more damage than Vayne.

145 Comments

Steel BlossomJan 25, 201642 votes

Hope that the vital doesn't spawn facing her. So fucking RNG.

UltîmaJan 25, 20167 votes

Or you know, walk away to reset it so it advantages you instead of her.

Steel BlossomJan 25, 201616 votes

but its also so bad for Fiora...i remember when i first played her in bots, the vitals would ALWAYS spawn facing enemy turret, and trading became so cancer. Don't really think such a luck oriented thing is healthy tbh.

Chaotic ReksJan 25, 20167 votes

just spam that no cost Q

XicashinaJan 25, 20161 votes

If the vital is bad for fora she can also walk away and let it despawn

Steel BlossomJan 25, 20161 votes

Walk away and miss CS because she was unlucky? Yup, seems healthy. Miss a few cs every time I want to trade but can't because my vital spawned facing away from me.

XicashinaJan 26, 20162 votes

Im sorry but your logic is bad if you wanted to CS you would CS, if your so interested in having the vital facing you it would imply that your looking to trade, however you shouldn't be trading when there are a large amount of cs your at risk of losing. And under the same logic the entire system favours you as you can get a better vital whenever there aren't cs your picking up, however your opponent can't cs well unless the vital is away and this will happen irregardless of wether they have cs to take or not.

TotalJerkJan 25, 201625 votes

It's actually only semi random. It alternates between one of the two sides facing red side and one of the two sides facing the blue side.

Earl EulrichJan 25, 201628 votes

hope her team sucks at teamfighting and doesn´t play defensive enough to allow for her to splitpush...

right now she might just be the worst designed champ of all times, you can go 0-5in lane with her and still will win the 1v1 with 2 vs 3 items later on.

stealthfox94Jan 25, 201632 votes

"right now she might just be the worst designed champ of all times"

Seriously............ Tryndamere Blitzcrank

Remlap1223Jan 25, 20164 votes

She's easily in the top ten.

Mr FidoriJan 25, 20166 votes

The idea that Blitzcrank is poorly designed [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

stealthfox94Jan 25, 20168 votes

Land grab, insta death miss grab, completely useless for 16 seconds. Sounds poorly designed to me.

Shrek LuigiJan 26, 20164 votes

Booty Grab, followed by the signature Blitzcrank Spank

That's a designing masterpiece right there my dude

IceKingChernobogJan 25, 20164 votes

throw Vladimir DrMundo Kalista onto that list

Lady HammerlockJan 25, 20163 votes

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hope her team sucks at teamfighting and doesn´t play defensive enough to allow for her to splitpush...

right now she might just be the worst designed champ of all times, you can go 0-5in lane with her and still will win the 1v1 with 2 vs 3 items later on.

she is basically melee vayne

Jeddy017Jan 25, 201618 votes

I seriously wanna know the best way to play against her.When I'm stuck laning against her as a melee champ,I'm spending more of my time on making sure she can't hit my vitals rather than CS.And if I'm losing & behind,how the hell do I build defensively?Can't go for armor because true damage,can't go for health because % max health true damage.

Now I'm not saying I can't beat her in lane.I have done that quite a few times,for example:here's goes one.But I rather have a much better strategy against her rather than "hope she's suck & kick her ass".

AbyssphereJan 25, 20166 votes

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I seriously wanna know the best way to play against her.When I'm stuck laning against her as a melee champ,I'm spending more of my time on making sure she can't hit my vitals rather than CS.And if I'm losing & behind,how the hell do I build defensively?Can't go for armor because true damage,can't go for health because % max health true damage.

Now I'm not saying I can't beat her in lane.I have done that quite a few times,for example:here's goes one.But I rather have a much better strategy against her rather than "hope she's suck & kick her ass".

It is worth noting that the majority of her damage is still physical. Armour is weaker against her than it is against most champions like her but it does still work. You should avoid health but armour helps.

GirardJan 25, 201618 votes

"Deals more damage than Vayne." Haha, that's a funny joke!

WalkingInACircleJan 25, 201636 votes

First it makes you laugh!

Then it makes you cry.

DerfelJan 25, 201612 votes

Lose. She's another failed Riot rework where they gave hyperscaling and 0 counterplay to a top lane champ that isn't weak early game. So you just end up with another Riven, where she's one of the best smurf champs to climb with cause of how impossible it is to comeback on a fed one.

AlwaysByMySideJan 25, 201611 votes

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Early game: lane bully Mid game: skirmishes master Late game: one shots everybody

Has more HP than our Sion and deals more damage than Vayne.

Are you trolling?

Because a Fiora that has more HP than Sion (I'm talking like 5,000+ HP) isn't doing nearly as much damage as Vayne, either burst-wise or DPS-wise.

Hayaishi2Jan 25, 201614 votes

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Are you trolling?

Because a Fiora that has more HP than Sion (I'm talking like 5,000+ HP) isn't doing nearly as much damage as Vayne, either burst-wise or DPS-wise.

Point is she does get quite tanky.

SasogwaJan 25, 20162 votes

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Are you trolling?

Because a Fiora that has more HP than Sion (I'm talking like 5,000+ HP) isn't doing nearly as much damage as Vayne, either burst-wise or DPS-wise.

But Sion doesn't have 5000+ HP And his core build is about CDR + resists, so actually Fiora having more HP than Sion is not so rare, especially if you consider she goes for item 3748 item 3071

5000000000000000Jan 25, 201610 votes

She has more HP than Sion because Fiora probably wrecked Sion in lane.

SpoofghoulJan 25, 20163 votes

this

because sions base hp is superlow smae with base armor only reason he gets somewhat tanky is because he can farm hp but if you get wrecked in lane you can't farm any so you stay squishy.

It's even worse now with autopushing minions where you will have a hard time getting enough farm because the lane is always pushed . . .

The Bíg TicketJan 25, 20169 votes

Ban her.

YCitizenSnipsYJan 25, 20168 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora

Judging buy her worst match ups, I would guess people need to stop trying to tank her and DPS her down.

AlphadefJan 25, 20169 votes

Yes. DPS her down. Not like she can literally block ALL damage for a second

RespectPlusJan 25, 20164 votes

0.75 second

TotalJerkJan 25, 20166 votes

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for a second

Are you not getting how burst DPS counters burst survivability?

AbyssphereJan 25, 20163 votes

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Yes. DPS her down. Not like she can literally block ALL damage for a second

I mean you are free to just not blow all of your abilities randomly when her riposte is up/active.

Juggernaut628Jan 25, 20164 votes

You're supposed to feed her. That's what you do against her. It's the only viable option unless you're a god Vayne or something.

Sypher The PoroJan 25, 20164 votes

I wrote another post about countering her somewhere, but can't find it.

General counter tips:

You can reset her vitals by walking out of range. However, she can do this too.
She is rather squishy early and has low HP/5 due to her passive. Take someone strong early and punish her trying to trade.
Her parry has a high cooldown, try and fight her anytime it's down.
QSS removes her ultimate completely.
Attack speed slows like Nasus wither or Frozen Heart make it harder for her to proc her passive quicky.
She's melee. Take a ranged top and poke like no tomorrow. (Teemo especially will destroy her with his blind)
Her Q refunds CD when it hits a target and has a high cool down if she misses, punish her then.

A big tip for Riven vs Fiora: DO NOT use 3rd Q on her if she has parry up as it will mean a free stun otherwise.

LuggJan 25, 20162 votes

{quoted} General counter tips:

You can reset her vitals by walking out of range. However, she can do this too.

The problem with that is she can dash to you. So walking away doesn't work 99% of the time.

She is rather squishy early and has low HP/5 due to her passive. Take someone strong early and punish her trying to trade.

Yes, that is the only option. However, the strong early champs get outscaled by her, so there is definitely a timer on the window to win.

Her parry has a high cooldown, try and fight her anytime it's down.

Any decent Fiora won't fight you when it's down. Sad but true.

QSS removes her ultimate completely.

The problem is that she usually attacks someone without the QSS in teamfights.

Attack speed slows like Nasus wither or Frozen Heart make it harder for her to proc her passive quicky.

More good advice.

She's melee. Take a ranged top and poke like no tomorrow. (Teemo especially will destroy her with his blind)

Probably the best advice. Unfortunately Teemo gets outscaled by her, but at least you can set her back enough to have a chance.

Her Q refunds CD when it hits a target and has a high cool down if she misses, punish her then.

Yep.

Sypher The PoroJan 26, 20162 votes

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The problem with that is she can dash to you. So walking away doesn't work 99% of the time.

Yes she can dash, but it is short ranged so all you need to do is back off from the minion wave out of her vision to let her passive reset. You can use this to get a better Vital point, but I generally only do it before an all in.

Yes, that is the only option. However, the strong early champs get outscaled by her, so there is definitely a timer on the window to win.

Just like good old Jax . You either win before 30 minutes or you don't win.

Any decent Fiora won't fight you when it's down. Sad but true.

Then you take your advantage to shove her lane in so she misses CS. She knows who will win the fight, so show you know too.

The problem is that she usually attacks someone without the QSS in teamfights.

Her priority targets are the ADC and Midlaner who have item 3140 and item 3157 respectively. If she is ulting the tank your carries have free reign to blow her apart.

Probably the best advice. Unfortunately Teemo gets outscaled by her, but at least you can set her back enough to have a chance.

No one out scales shrooms + item 3151 . It makes us all look like: .

Finally, if you don't think you can win lane then don't play like it. Take Malphite or Nautilus who shine in those late-game teamfights. As strong as Fiora is it is still impossible to 1v5 a coordinated team, so simply kill off her team with a better team comp. Not only that, but these high CC champions can set up ganks easily.

Nautilus especially can screw her in lane. He has 3 hard CC moves, and her parry only works on one. To set up a gank as Naut, just ult her and when she parries it use Q then passive auto while your jungler goes to town. (Works best with carry junglers like: Diana , Elise , Ekko , Graves (This pick is still BS), and Nidalee who have the damage to back up your lockdown.)

TacoTheKittenJan 25, 20164 votes

Just pick something that can out bully her in lane. Riven, renekton, something like that. Poppy is also pretty good against her as well. She's a bit of a skill matchup a lot of the time since it's kind of a mind game to bait out her parry, but once you do you can go all in if she isn't fed. Lategame, bait out her parry with a low cd cc ability in a teamfight, then lock her down and blow her up. If she's going tanky, let your adc shred through her. She's essentially like a more mobile darius rn. Lots of damage, and relatively tanky. As long as she isn't fed you'll be fine. Champs with slows are also very effective against her, since her riposte is only really effective when used against stuns, and hard slows seriously inhibit her ability to move around and proc vitals in skirmishes and teamfights.

DREADN0UGHTJan 25, 20164 votes

Play around the vitals in lane. Don't let her get to it. If its facing her, walk away and come back.

Don't try soloing her. She is "the grand duelist" ffs. Her kit is designed for 1v1.

If Sion has less max hp than her by mid game, fiora ain't the issue. Sion is.

MrWasjigJan 25, 20163 votes

Our old friend The Troll King Trundle does pretty well against her, or at least I've had good success (Okay it was one game) but still I thought it was worth mentioning. Sadly I was camped, but that aside I was going pretty well against the enemy Fiora up until then.

SpecterVonBarenJan 25, 20163 votes

Deal more damage than her. Too bad she's a good duelist... sooo.... play a tank? But she doesn't give a fuck about tankiness... soo..... ban her? But you might not get to ban..... Cry? Yes, I'm gonna go with cry.

RengClawJan 25, 20163 votes

they need to gut fiora

10TicklerJan 25, 20162 votes

Learn to save your CC for when she's blown Parry? It's really not hard.

FeathermaneJan 25, 201620 votes

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Learn to save your CC for when she's blown Parry? It's really not hard.

This argument is really bad. Reactive spells like Counterstrike, Spellshield and Parry ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED EVER! before you use your most effective ability. Thus, it is impossible to bait them out. Aka, if you are playing Blitz against Sivir and she uses E before you use your hook, you are playing against idiots. If you are playing Jax against Fiora and she is using Parry before you try to stun, you are playing against idiots. If you are playing Bard against Morgana and she uses Black Shield before you try to stun her, you are playing against idiots. Counterplay tips are invalid if they only work on idiots.

10TicklerJan 25, 20162 votes

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This argument is really bad. Reactive spells like Counterstrike, Spellshield and Parry ARE NOT GOING TO BE USED EVER! before you use your most effective ability. Thus, it is impossible to bait them out. Aka, if you are playing Blitz against Sivir and she uses E before you use your hook, you are playing against idiots. If you are playing Jax against Fiora and she is using Parry before you try to stun, you are playing against idiots. If you are playing Bard against Morgana and she uses Black Shield before you try to stun her, you are playing against idiots. Counterplay tips are invalid if they only work on idiots.

Hook has a Travel time. It's easy to counter with Morg Black Shield/Sivir Shield. Fiora's parry is also the only EARLY game waveclearing tool that she has, and I've seen plenty of Fioras blow it on that, or even on blocking a non CC ability.

See, they're always on edge, waiting to use it at the right moment, right?

So you call their bluff. You act like you're about to drop the CC hammer on them by getting REALLY aggressive, then...when they've used Parry.

You use the actual CC

Ulquiorra995Jan 25, 20168 votes

How is parry, a delayed single-target, non-scaling ability which Fiora maxes last a waveclear tool? Using your autoattacks is more effective.

And again, good players are going to see through your bluff. Most of CC you'll encounter are not instant; they have a missile or an obvious cast animation. Smart Fiora will not waste her Parry - she'll wait for said missile/animation to fly out and then use it.

YaskamasandwichJan 25, 20162 votes

You have to counter pick her, she's a champion entirely designed around that. Either you counter pick her and you win, or she counter picks you and she wins. The only tank champion that counters her that I can think of off the top of my head is Malphite . Pantheon may not be a tank but he absolutely destroys her. Again counter picking is the ONLY way, other champions may have some mercy when it comes to counter picking but not Fiora.

Cowgirl EdJan 25, 20168 votes

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You have to counter pick her, she's a champion entirely designed around that. Either you counter pick her and you win, or she counter picks you and she wins. The only tank champion that counters her that I can think of off the top of my head is . may not be a tank but he absolutely destroys her. Again counter picking is the ONLY way, other champions may have some mercy when it comes to counter picking but not Fiora.

This just means she's badly designed/balanced

VeraskaJan 25, 20162 votes

From my experience you want to use DPS champs that don't have a particularly important moment in their rotation, like darius' dunk or jarvans flag n drag for examples, champions like rumble can do pretty well and minimize the power of her riposte since there's nothing worth ripposting