Garen is so Stupidly Broken

Immortal Berry·Aug 25, 2015·28 votes·7,258 views

I personally Do not like this patch. It does have its benefits added some cool features and all. But really i do believe they should have left it the op, be their own op selves and not buff them even more. Last patch was a dream it was so balanced but now its gone from one extreme to the other. GAREN is one example. I have Lost EVERY game where there is a Garen because of his tank and his Overly broken Damage output, maybe im a noob, but there is really no real counter for garen in my lvl. So please riot nerf his ass , he is too strong and you cannot kill him unless he gets greedy.

34 Comments

DiatonixAug 25, 20158 votes

Vayne Ekko Kalista

idokiAug 25, 20151 votes

I thought that the general boards circlejerk consensus was that we hate Vayne?

ErijianAug 25, 20152 votes

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I thought that the general boards circlejerk consensus was that we hate Vayne?

Eh, there's a couple Garen hate threads every now and then. Mostly posted by lower ranked players that can't kite him or just generally suck at landing hard-Crowd Control abilities.

Zone of EndlessAug 25, 20155 votes

Kite him just like before the changes. As far as I can tell he's still pretty similar to old garen who is still susceptible to kiting

JbelsAug 25, 20153 votes

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Kite him just like before the changes. As far as I can tell he's still pretty similar to old garen who is still susceptible to kiting

But omg Deadman's plate so op nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf

Edit: Literally sarcastic here...

BlackEyesBlueAug 25, 20155 votes

... item 3742

... and his slow breaking Q... SO sick of people saying "Kitable" is his weakness!

MarshallBanannaAug 25, 201512 votes

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... and his slow breaking Q... SO sick of people saying "Kitable" is his weakness!

you are aware his kiting ability went DOWN since he lost duration on both the silence and ms buff on Q and no longer has tenacity in W right?

VasilisGreenAug 25, 20152 votes

and now they are reducing his base ms and the Q ms buff

Zone of EndlessAug 25, 20153 votes

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... and his slow breaking Q... SO sick of people saying "Kitable" is his weakness!

Before changes Garen can always break slow. You can still kite even if he has dead man. Dead man doesn't give immunity to slow.

MrFisterRobotoAug 25, 20154 votes

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..., maybe im a noob, but there is really no real counter for garen in my lvl.

No maybe about it. Garen has plenty of counters.

Teemo Darius Gnar Pantheon Rumble

Don't apply slows until AFTER he Qs. Try to harass him once every 8 seconds so his passive doesn't kick in. Buy a item 3155 if you want to counter his ult.

BlastiresAug 25, 20151 votes

But if you are the villain......R.I.P

BhagswagAug 31, 20151 votes

Can you record yourself as teemo and play vs garen? Thanks. That would be fun and educational.

MarshallBanannaAug 25, 20154 votes

1- If you stand near minions, his E deals the same damage as 5.15 garen 2- If you are not the villain, he deals the same damage as 5.15 garen 3- both his Q silence and ms are shorter 4- He no longer has tenacity

Garen is more kitable than he ever was.

Engage near minions to minimize his E damage, capitalize on his lack of tenacity and shorter Ms buff

BakedPotatoGodAug 25, 20153 votes

No real counter for your level? wat.

ks916Aug 25, 20153 votes

My problem with Garen is that stupid true dmg with the villian thing, playing singed the other day he ults me for 1,540 true dmg, wtf kind of execute is that??? 1/3 of my hp I can't even itemize against. It blows so hard to be a frontline with the stupid villian thing since it's just gonna help you get blown up. Garen did 43k dmg to champions that game, 8.5k being true dmg. THAT'S 20% OF HIS DMG AS TRUE DMG!

Btw anyone know a site where we can dmg dealt to champions and see if it what kind of dmg they do the most?

King of Hearts11Aug 25, 20153 votes

move along just another bronze level player who doesnt know what kiting means. Maybe get to gold and then you have a right to complain.

DaxterrAug 26, 20151 votes

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move along just another bronze level player who doesnt know what kiting means. Maybe get to gold and then you have a right to complain.

yes being better at a video games gives you more rights. some people lol xD

JbelsAug 25, 20151 votes

lol you're gonna love the fact that his ult damage is getting changed from missing health to maximum health, have fun with that

Lao Fu the TigerAug 25, 20152 votes

Nope, just a typo.

SlaktarTaskenAug 25, 20153 votes

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lol you're gonna love the fact that his ult damage is getting changed from missing health to maximum health, have fun with that

You must be joking. :<

Ace Access Aug 25, 20155 votes

what is this ? Vayne 2.0 ult ?

VasilisGreenAug 25, 20151 votes

Nope

Jungle Lux GodAug 25, 20152 votes

I believe Exgeniar said that there should be no change, and it should be working just like it did before.

It's just that the tooltip in the AIR client just says health instead of specifying what kind of health (max, missing, or current)

Silents429Aug 25, 20152 votes

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lol you're gonna love the fact that his ult damage is getting changed from missing health to maximum health, have fun with that

Its. Its just a tooltip change. The damage is staying the same..

brownthunder88Aug 25, 20151 votes

Garen doesnt need buffs or nerfs, he needs straight-up rework. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/6u7AM4Ik-garen-needs-a-passive-rework

fasegaAug 25, 20151 votes

"There is really no real counter for garen in my lvl. So please riot nerf his ass." The problem with balancing champs based on this is it basicly rewards people for not learning how to correctly play against certain playstyles and strategies.

CasterGilgameshAug 25, 20151 votes

what are you talking about they hardly changed garen...

BlastiresAug 25, 20151 votes

Well. Since people think Elo matter that much I'll also state my opinion about him. I'm kinda an "average player" being around silver 2/3 for a while. I remember before the rework I used to say to my friends something like "If you top and are a first pick, Garen is the way to go" Mostly because is passive is stupid broken when you have a item 3065 and since you build a item 3083 on him...I always went full tank on him with a black cleaver and sometimes an infinity edge as a last item if our damage dealer were too behind. I nearly always was one of the biggest damage dealer to champion. Mid/Late game, when you back you probably have around 2500 gold because you are ALWAYS full life. If you haven't be killed, dance for 6 second and enjoy being full hp....

Now, about the rework. Yes, his Q last for a less big time, but what was making him at least "strong/op" was his passive with warmogg and spirit. I have no problem with resourceless champ. But resourceless champ with such an incredible regen power is....ugh. His ult used to be what I call a "ks ultimate" a.k.a "Finisher" but now...I played him, played against him and, no joke. Ult the villain when he is around 50-55% of his hp and he dies. At this rate it's not even close to a finisher, it's a point and click Zed ultimate combo perfectly executed with true damage.

Kiting him? Slowing him? You take swiftness boots and with a full defense mastery you just do not give a ****.

Garen lost some utility, but he also lost his biggest counter item 3156 , the itemisation (especially the new one) make him so easily powerfull. Oh, you lack movement speed? We have a thing for that. What? You want to regen faster? We have 2 good item to synergise with you item 3083 item 3065 . Oh? You want to shrek the enemy armor in 1 spell? item 3071 Time . Oh, you want some damage? item 3031 . Getting kite? item 3009 .Which I have no problem with. But he is so good at long term fight because after 3 to 4 little fight were both team lost HP, He will be full and OS one guy. Even Mundo looks pitiful looking at Garen and this guy actually spend HP when he uses a spell. Yes, Garen regen isn't that good when you are in fight. But you don't need to regen. You are a tank who is certainly full life at each team fight, late game.

Have you even tried to siege the enemy team at their last turret with him? It's a poke fest. But Garen will and always will be full HP after 4 or 6 second. Poking him just so his heal doesn't happen every 4 second is a waste of mana/Cooldown.

I don't think he is freelo, but either his passive or his ult need to be lowered. Because a 4 second cooldown on a passive with such a big regen power is anything but balanced to me.

A Miss FortuneAug 26, 20151 votes

I just had a Garen that went like, 6-1 against a Gnar at around 9 minutes into the game.

SH AzykanAug 26, 20151 votes

I'm starting to play Diana top into him now. Garen can never win a trade with you, even if you are the villian you wreck him =\

Then he comes back to lane with mr items (he cant build offense or you will kill him) so you just keep farming up then kill people with tp plays. Just make sure you always cast W during his Q's animation. So you get the shield for the trade. Rushing Nashors > Zhonya > Voidstaff and then just be a huge split push threat and still never be worried about garen at all. Oh and if he tries to stand back for his passive, Q pokes are beautiful for stopping it.

DaxterrAug 26, 20151 votes

Personally I don't really get the whole villain thing. His ult did magic damage before, I though the point of that was so you couldn't itemize against him easily. Wasn't it??????

Weasel KenseiAug 26, 20151 votes

Garen has always had a good execute move, but this change makes it a bit too good. Hes a tank fighter, generally played as a tank. He should be soaking hits not this or doing sustained DPS or a hybrid of both. His ult is a bit more assassin like than anything else, but many tanks have AoE ults that hit hard, his just hits hard on one person. This "anti-carry" BS though, that needs to never be another thing on any champion, ever.

Punished for winning is the most nonsense thing, I get that people want to dig themselves out of a hole, I do when Im behind, but an "Oh youre winning, ok thanks for giving me a an I win button to punish you with" is not healthy.

stilesyNov 21, 20191 votes

people saying "just kite him" how do you kite him as a melee champ such as Aatrox? are you seriously telling me that the only way to beat the new garen is to be ranged? yes I get it people like yasuo or irelia can just infinitely dash around him, but then you take into consideration not everyone wants to play a high mobile fighter. Personally I prefer the playstyle of being slow and tanky but what's the point if he can insta proc black cleaver and conquerer?

xHeimtechZXNov 21, 20191 votes

The best thing to do is try out the champion you're struggling with, if you can. You'll learn the matchups, their pros and cons. I do play Garen sometimes and I think he's pretty good and straightfoward. If Garen is stacking attack speed, just wait out his spin because that is where a lot of his damage comes from. His Q can cleanse so use CC after that, if you can. Attack him periodically so his passive doesn't kick in. It doesn't get interrupted by minions. I like using Darius against Garen. He doesn't seem to do much in this matchup. Garen is very easily punished by Darius. As I said, Q can cleanse so you should probably only grab him after he uses it. This is the reason I don't ban Garen because its a very fun lane.