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Sylas just has too much... EVERYTHING

notfaced··32 votes·10,802 views

Looking into Sylas' kit, and just realizing he has too much utility and too much damage to make him something you can lane against. I think the main problem is that his kit is overloaded and that is the core of the problem. A Q that has 2 forms of damage and a slow, a "lunge" with magic damage increased with health that also a HEAL AS WELL BASED OFF HIS HEALTH, a dash that has a shield on top of it that he can recast that gives a knock up, magic damage, gap closing, and a stun (not in that order, sue me), and an ultimate that steals any enemy's ult. Oh did i forget to mention that he has 2 aa resets off his w and the first part of his e? He just has too much damage and utility by way of stuns and slows to make him "balanced". And i know that riot has been trying to balance him since he came out, but he still has too much damage. Why not take off the second part of his Chain lash and combine it as 1 part, therefor youre not getting hit by 2 different magic damage percentages, but lower the cd a tad. Anyone else with suggestions, im just tired of seeing him played and not knowing what the hell to do against it.

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Z3SIeeper9 votes
  • Remove slow from Q initial

I've hated that Q since the day he came out. Ridiculous spammable slow, he doesn't even have to hit the 2nd part.

Also imo:

  • Reduce the damage of Q initial
    • Increase the damage of Q explosion

Reduce this free ass Q spam he's able to do. It's insanely fast and impossible to dodge. So if they're gonna keep it that way then they should make him have to land E so they hit the explosion to actually do any significant damage with it.

He's just overloaded. He's supposed to be an AP Bruiser melee champion but he essentially beats people down from a distance while on top of that is able to duel fighters in melee range as well. Pick a strength Riot, you can't just give him both AND toss a ton of extra utility into his kit (heal, shield, knockup, spammable slows, ult stealing).

I guess at the very least they remembered what mana costs are with him. It's been awhile since a new champion actually had that be a factor.

floo8 votes

And I got downvoted for making the same complaints the time he was teased.

He has literally everything.

2 dashes AOE Slow Knockup Heal (based on missing hp) Execute single target Shield Lunge (minimal, but still a gap closer) AOE auto + aa-reset Literally any ult in reach.

This champ is destined to be a balancing nightmare.

HàrrowR1 votes

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And I got downvoted for making the same complaints the time he was teased.

He has literally everything.

2 dashes AOE Slow Knockup Heal (based on missing hp) Execute single target Shield Lunge (minimal, but still a gap closer) AOE auto + aa-reset Literally any ult in reach.

This champ is destined to be a balancing nightmare.

That's the boards for you, but Tristana is played mid for 2 games and everyone loses their minds!

WTBeGirl100EUhr1 votes

Tristana has: A long dash with a reset on kills AND on E so you can dash twice fighting one person and still have it up and aoe damage AOE slow Huge knockback AoE on minion kills Can use abilities on turrets Huge attack speed steroid Insane range Burst damage Premier DPS Magic AND physical damage so she's impossible to itemize against

Tristana has literally everything!

But that's the boards for you...

HàrrowR1 votes

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Tristana has: A long dash with a reset on kills AND on E so you can dash twice fighting one person and still have it up and aoe damage AOE slow Huge knockback AoE on minion kills Can use abilities on turrets Huge attack speed steroid Insane range Burst damage Premier DPS Magic AND physical damage so she's impossible to itemize against

Tristana has literally everything!

But that's the boards for you...

I'm not saying Tristana doesn't have a lot going for her, but imagine if she had all that and then the ability to steal Sejuani's ult making her also a good CC champ and fight initiator. Well that's Sylas for you, if his R wasn't so broken the rest of his kit wouldn't be that much of a problem but being allowed to perfectly compliment your weaknesses by stealing enemy ult just pushes him over the edge. Just saw Sneaky's stream and he was getting deleted by a Sylas with Akali ult, he would literally do 1.1k damage with her ult on top of his regular insane damage.

ShyImagoghnar7 votes

>"overloaded"

primary complaint about every single champion since lee sin

lmao

Glamorous Rammus8 votes

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>"overloaded"

primary complaint about every single champion since lee sin

lmao

Braum didn't have these complaints as far ass I remember

iamthegoatofwar2 votes

not really. The only thing people kinda raised an eyebrow at was his passive.

Minimac20004 votes

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Braum didn't have these complaints as far ass I remember

Release braum was played as a toplaner bc his base stats were so good he could just stunlock people for ages build botrk and just auto everyone to death lol but yeah, everything else about his kit has always been on the balanced to weak side outside of pro play

0 Hogapu7 votes

It's pretty easy to know if a champion is broken as fuck actually

look a pickrates in challenger across the world, you will notice that Sylas is at 30%, Kai'Sa at 30%, while 50 champions are <0.1%

The Kombinator6 votes

Nah he is farily average. Every reworked/new champion has the following rule:

Quick movement. Low CD on everything, that can't stop an ult, or an ult itself. Low, or no costs. Some extra sustain from damage stats. Wall of text for abilities.

musixxal5 votes

just nerf the sustain on his W. it's so stupid. honestly.

Famous Gay Actor1 votes

I think the sustain has some value. Maybe remove the increased healing on Sylas' low HP and keep the execute on enemy's low HP. That way he still feels like he's viable and fun. (Also keeps in line with the vengeful-mage-hater theme of Sylas.)

Padoµch4 votes

My main complain about Sylas is that picking any champ with hard AoE CC ult like Sejuani, Amumu means you are acually giving him insane option to solo win the game, becuse the ult will also wipe your whole team.

Saevum4 votes

He also happens to steal ults from a very safe distance, which is a strong feature. I would vote for a nerf to his ult-stealing range first. Then, increase mana costs a little so that he doesn't free spam.

Barduo3 votes

nah.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø3 votes

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nah.

nice

The thigh guy3 votes

If You have to say “and” more than twice per ability, to describe what the ability does, it’s overloaded.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M2 votes

So sylas whole kit? LOL

Sinister Anubis1 votes

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So sylas whole kit? LOL

I mean look at diana. Shes not over loaded and does the same job. She has range Q Shield on W and it does damage her E does no dmg but it is a displacement cc and her R does damage her passive does aoe dmg but she is required to attack 3 times for it to work. Why does sylas have nearly the same kit but so much more.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votes

Exactly, its like the concept of power budget went out the window when they were making sylas kit.

I still think my favorite part is his E. Its basically a riven E but w/ magic damage shield (after nerfs), BUT WAIT after your riven shield you get to throw out an Amumu Q!

LMFAO They must've been puffing that Top Shelf california Weed when they were designing this champion.

The thigh guy3 votes

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So sylas whole kit? LOL

I mean. Basically every champion since ekko.

Hayaishi21 votes

His passive shouldn't stack. It makes him braindead af.

Minimac20001 votes

The only broken thing about sylas is that his rank 3 r cd is 8 seconds which is like 3-4 with cdr. change it to 15 and its fine but 2 ults a teamfight is a little much

14daysuspensionk1 votes

Duh, he steals ultimates of any kind.

Kovorix1 votes

Tbf I just permaban him. How do you want to REALY balance a champion when he can have every ult?

WTBeGirl100EUhr1 votes

Obviously this thread is hyperbole. You can make any champion like this. You can, if you're trying to say he's bad (which I don't necessarily agree with) also phrase it like: "Your Q only does half its damage unless people stand in the tiny circle because the slow is too weak to land it reliably. His W requires you AND your opponent to be low to actually be strong and his E forces you to use your main mobility spell for defense and doesn't even protect you from physical damage. The E is a slow, narrow projectile that has a short stun that you can't even combo inside of. You have an ult that is completely useless against some champions and that you can't use reactively because stealing the ult has a cast time."

But let's actually talk about your suggestion.

Why not take off the second part of his Chain lash and combine it as 1 part, therefor youre not getting hit by 2 different magic damage percentages, but lower the cd a tad.

If you do this they'll just buff the AP ratio on Q1 - y'know, the spammable, ranged ability that isn't super easy to walk out of if he doesn't land the EQ which wastes a passive proc if done at range (as you usually will). You'll make him even more obnoxious to play against. The ability divided into 2 hits makes it weaker, not stronger, since the second hit is much less reliable than the first.

Sinister Anubis1 votes

We know

Bârd1 votes

The hell is "two forms of damage" supposed to mean?

How is that a bad thing? It just means his damage is spread out over time rather than hitting you all at once and chunking you, as well as making it possible to dodge the second half even if the first half hits you.

TekkenPlayer1 votes

Rubick has an actual power budget by beibg inmobile and his non ultimate abilities being more or less "meh"

Sylas however gets the modern bruiser package + burst mechanics, so he uses champions ultimates often better than those champions

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