Elo Hell (and why it exists) from a diamond perspective

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Ever since at least season 2, a theory of 'elo hell' [which if you don't know is when teammates bottleneck you and hold you back from achieveing your real rank] has come up time and time again.

I've personally been on both sides of the argument, first believing it does exist when I was bronze 1, to believing it doesn't exist when I climbed up to diamond. Now after a few seasons being diamond, Ive done some thinking and believe that elo hell does exist. I'll try and explain why.

Firstly, I'll need to explain where elo hell doesn't exist.

  • When you're substantially higher rank (3+ divisions then where you currently are).
  • That statistics are 80%+ of the time against you [saying: i always have the afk's feeders and trolls].
  • When you've played over 1000 games of ranked.

Elo hell doesn't apply to you if you believe/exist in any of the above cases. I'm sorry. The best thing to do here is to look at how you can personally improve. Maybe get together with some mates and play some flex. Take constructive criticism.

Where elo hell DOES exist:

  • When you're only marginally better then your current rank [i.e you're silver 1, but belong in gold 5]
  • When you get easily tilted [i personally fall in this camp].
  • When you play a 'primary' role.

Here's the thing, if you're only marginally better than your current rank, it's actually really possible to get stuck in the tier below where you belong. I believe a lot of people who are silver 1 deserve gold and a lot of gold 5's deserve silver. Unfortunately at this spot, it's really hard to push up without a bit of luck.

When you play a primary role [like mid], but aren't significantly better than your opponent, you're unlikely to climb. The fact is, a random stranger who you get paired with, is likely to be just as good as you at mid lane, but may be terrible as support. Denying them their role and forcing them support might just lose you the game then and there.

If you get easily tilted, my advice is to take a break after every loss. This is something I had to do while climbing through platinum 1. I would get so tilted that my team would throw the game [and being a support main there isn't much I could do] that if I played another game, I would lose it instantly. It took me a week to climb from p3-p1 and then a month to finally get diamond. Then it took me like 3 days to get to diamond 4. Just take it slow- you have the whole season to climb.

My advice is to main the weakest role at your elo. When I climbed from bronze 1 to gold 1, I exclusively used support. It was the weakest role in that elo. That may or may not be the case anymore, but this is something you'll have to research through your games.

And lastly, something that severely impacts low elo [and specifically bronze] is attitude. The amount of times low elo players give up before the game is over, insult each other and tilt is incredible. This is such a big reason of why bronze players lose games [however over the last 2 seasons this attitude is climbing up the ladder]. Never give up. Encourage your team. Play to your strengths.

Good luck out there!

15 Comments

dunder kill3 votes

When you're only marginally better then your current rank [i.e you're silver 1, but belong in gold 5]

If the ranking system gets you within a single division of where you belong, its doing its job correctly

When you get easily tilted [i personally fall in this camp].

Thats your fault as a player hence why its reflected in your rank. Working as intended.

When you play a 'primary' role.

Lol what?

Ally5 votes

The guy totally explained all his points, and you just quote his points acting all snide.

Sona Ping1 votes

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The guy totally explained all his points, and you just quote his points acting all snide.

And those are his counter-arguments. He quotes what he is responding to (as is good practice) and then makes his response to them.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Star3 votes

So something like this would be sufficient for a response?

Its doing its job correctly

Wrong.

Working as intended

Incorrect.

lol what?

lol what?

Is a sufficient enough response and considered a counter argument?

I mean, the fact is the Elo system isn't doing its job correctly if its placed you within 1 division of your actual rank. Here's some evidence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

Again, the above article should prove that 'tilting' isn't factored into Elo.

And I don't understand what "lol what?" is meant to mean when I clarified what I meant by a primary role.

Sona Ping1 votes

So your counter point is....

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So something like this would be sufficient for a response?

Wrong.

Incorrect.

lol what?

Is a sufficient enough response and considered a counter argument?

arguments he did not even make. That's not a very good argument.

And an argument that is Elo Hell exists because this thing that isn't Elo Hell exists and I am changing what Elo Hell is to that isn't a great argument either.

Star2 votes

I mean, I've explained in detail what I thought Elo hell is, how I believe it exists and doesn't exist within a game that is a team-based game.

Elo hell doesn't have a 'set definition' for me to be changing it into something its not.

IAmYourAlly3 votes

Actually yeah dude, Ally is right. Like if you ain't got anything positive to contribute, don't say anything at all. No need to be all snide.

Read his points and discuss if you disagree.

Edit: Also cool name Ally!

JhOu9LXGeC3 votes

I totally agree with you my man!

BIackfox2 votes

No it doesn't exist. I used to be wood 5 a year ago and said "i in bronze cuz trolls, I deserve silver". But now I just hit silver i today and now I know you should never blame your teammates for your loss, always yourself.

SEKAI2 votes

Actually in my opinion, Elo hell exists because of the sole fact those who are in low elo are always playing with and against low elo, meaning they have no chance to even see and experience what it is like for higher level plays let alone learning it and practicing for themselves.

Know middle school math? Pretty easy right? But that's because you're ALREADY better than that hence you perceive it being easy. The same can't be said about middle school kids themselves, who would only see it as the most obnoxious thing ever if they don't have a knack for it. And what you have is that kids who do bad at school tends to also gather around by either personal choice of social reasons, so what happens is that their academic skill rarely improves due to what they see and get in touch with everyday, don't include someone talking about the teaching math or whatever in ways they could understand and experience first-hand.

Now use that analogy as a platform and build it onto the League's case, it's quite sound really. The only difference is that the supposed "gathering around" isn't either personal or socially induced here, but systematically so.

Sure players can watch videos and others' play, but just like how watching 10 million basketball matches don't make you Michael Jordan, watching League matches also don't make you climb as a whole. One has to know, and knows how to perform, and low-elo ranks simply don't provide neither to the players in there, hence Elo-hell exists for them but not for those who are outside of it.

Star3 votes

I agree with this. I actually forgot to include it in my post.

R0XTAR1 votes

I agree with this, but I also have to include ELO hell where people int so hard when they die before a certain point, e.g. 10 minutes or even 5 minutes. I main support exclusively and it has helped me a lot through my climbing, but when my ADC dies early, they afk or int. Hard to show where you really belong when you get held back like that.

PhDs Nuts2 votes

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I agree with this, but I also have to include ELO hell where people int so hard when they die before a certain point, e.g. 10 minutes or even 5 minutes. I main support exclusively and it has helped me a lot through my climbing, but when my ADC dies early, they afk or int. Hard to show where you really belong when you get held back like that.

That's where sample size is supposed to be included. If you only play a couple hundred ranked games per season, that's going to affect your rank a lot more than if you were to play over 1,000.

Banana Nations1 votes

Elo Hell is real, Anyone D5+ has felt D5 elo hell

AleksaTeemo1 votes

People who either got lucky or duod to get out of bronze/silver fast will always mock you and tell u to solo carry every game.

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