Thoughts on next big class update ( divers)

Leyin··2 votes·777 views

These are only ideas nothing was confirmed yet!!!

We all know that Riot decided in Mid-season 7 between Vanguard and Divers. They updated Vanguards, so I think we will get in pre-season8 a Diver Update. Reav3 already confirmed with the quote: " the next blog will be about the next class/roster update and some other stuff" that we will get an class update.

So lets talk about probaly champions and items that could get some changes:


                                                                                                               _**Champions: **_

                                                                                            The official list of all diver is this one: 
                                                                 I wll add a short comment about my opninon how big the change will be

  • Vi         
    
    • she is on a good state I think she get some balance stuff and maybe a new mechanic on her passiv or her W to make her more poweful afer engage and kill the first one ==> smaller update
  • Xin Zhao
    
  • not popular, but very strong in solo que: I think they will change his kit, because the kit today is like engage with E -> activate Q,W for bufed auto attacks and when an enemy comes Ult. I think putting Q+W in 1 spell, but nerf this and adding a skill shot that buffs something. I think this would be a good change that enemys know what to when he engages. ==> bigger update

  • Nocturne

  • Nocturnes ideais not bad, but the spells are outscaled and very simple when you compare it wih other champs. The ult fits well and I think there is nothing big needed. The Q is also good. spells like his W and his E are kinda old. His W is like a sivir shield but I don't think that a diver needs a singe spell shield there os something like Warwick E more useful and effectiv when you engage in the enemy team. HIs E is the same. It is a long channel for fearing 1 enemy. Warwick is able to reduce dmg and fear all enemys around him. There is no comparison between this. I think giving him a dmg spell that allows him to sanre or to slow the enemy is more usefull, because all his basic abilites are more utlity with a bit dmg. The passiv is like a hydra + death dance. All in all I think Nocturne need work to be again a nightmare and not just a little ghost that is dangerous when he is fed and has his ult up. ==> very big update , maybe VGU

  • Pantheon

  • he needs something that is useful after doing his )R+)Q+W+E+Q comb. Now he jumps in. kill 1 and dies or is so tanky that he isn't able to kill someone and runs out or just doing auto attacks. ==> "big", changing Q or giving him a new passiv and move his old completly to his W

  • Jarvan

  • strong at the moment. I think he will be fine with the item changes ==> nothing really needed

  • Wukong

  • good kit , nothing big needed maybe chaning his passiv ==> nothing or something small

  • Warwick

  • got a VGU, nothing is needed now ==> nothing

  • Renekton

  • I think he looks like a Juggernaut and not like a Diver. All his spells give him sutain and array dmg ( apart from his W) I think dealing bonus dmg when only hit 1 champion would make him more powerful in late. Sure the lane bully in early shouldn't be stronger than yet. ==> big update

  • Elise

  • she is very popular , specially in pro-play. i think changes only would destroy that power. just shifting some power, but not changeing the kit overall ==> notthing/ balance stuff

  • Hecarim

  • Hecarim has the same problem like Renekton. His E is a good engage tol, but after that he only has Q and W for doing some dmg over time. I think the Q should get a change like seju's W that it deals more dmg to single targets and has a better scaling. I also think giving his W the feeling of being a horse would make him also a good solo fighter. The idea of knocking the enemys behind him back, allows him to catch 1 traget with the E , doing 2 Qs during that you knock back enemys that try to follow you with the W back and afterthat you escape with the Ult. The W should be dmg like "percent dmg of current health" that it isn't an execute just a good tool for doing a 1vs 1 or an option to escape. ==> kinda big change

  • Lee Sin

  • I think changing lee would create a big shit storm, so I don't think that Riot will change something here.

  • Irelia

  • Riot wants to give her more the feeling of a "blade paladin" than a typical fighte. She is also an option for a VGu, but I think they will do a big change here to change the whole kit like they did it with kata, from a very simple champ to a complex champion, but with the same idea of the champ. ==> big change, but no good thoughts yet

  • Aatrox

  • Aatrox got in the last time some little changes, I think they will go on in this direction, but adding now new content ==> big change

  • Evelynn

  • she will get a VGU before pre-season ==> nothing

  • Diana

    • doesn't feel like an fighter more than a assasin. I think changing her kit to an assasin would be the best way. ==> new direction , clear kit

**UPDATE: Diana will have a mini-rework or some bigger balance changes (source: Meddler: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 16)

Conclusion Champions:

Very Big:

  1. Nocturne
  2. Irelia
  3. Renektion

Big, but not so deep:

  1. Xin Zhao
  2. Hecarim
  3. Pantheon

Smaller changes:

  1. VI
  2. Wukong 3.Elise

ITEMS [WIP]

I will add items when I get enough time to look for stats and we will get some Infos from Riot, about there goal of divers


Runes [WIP]

!reminder : Runes will get a big update, I will talk about there impact on diver after we got details about runes that are useful for divers.


What do you think about these ideas, share your ideas with me and I will add them with quotations in this post!

12 Comments

Titanium701 votes

Wait did you just called Diana, fine?

Diana is the personification of EVERY SINGLE problem the diver class has! She will get lots of changes just like any other Champ on your list that works like her!

Leyin1 votes

yeah you are right, but I think Riot will move her to assasin or give her a mini rework like rek sai to give her a new gameplay kit.

Valor Bot1 votes

Didn't Riot say they wouldn't be doing any more class updates? I believe they said they weren't getting much value out of them and would prefer to shift their resources to the single champion-focused mini reworks such as Heimer's and Shyvana's.

Leyin1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/oEQjpqZK-leagues-next-vg-reworks-need-to-be-very-interesting-reworks-like-warwicks-one?comment=0001000000020002000000050000

Reav3 talk about the Roster Team. Maybe we will get no big roster update like mage or assasin and just this time zone during mid-season ( where rammus , amumu , galio , zac , seju and maokai get their changes over time) , but it is clear that something will follow. He will give new information in the next week.

Ganked By Tilt1 votes

Diana fine? rofl she's the most problematic one, she needs a direct class identity either change her to assassin or fighter(diver), the mix of both is not working.

Leyin1 votes

yeah you are right, I will change the post at this point :D

Moon Mom1 votes

Yeah.. Diana has serious issues. A diver / fighter with a one shot play pattern? No. They're gonna lower W / Q / R damage, switch some abilities up, and maybe add extra interactions to make her less binary.

Leyin1 votes

Meddler said that they are going to start doing a mini rework

Rengooo1 votes

The only thing I would say is some of the champs you have listed that need lots of work (Irelia and Pantheon) are down for a full vgu. So I doubt they would see any changes. Renekton is fine (I think Riot quite likes him). Nocturne is supposed to be an assassin (apparently) so don't know if they would do anything to him. Agree Xin needs some significant work. Hecairim, maybe? Not sure, a more interactive W would be nice. And honestly I would say Wu Kong should be up the top of your list, hes been needing some work for a while now.

Leyin1 votes

I think the concept of the diver class miss. Now they are just fighters that are not so tanky than Juggernauts and deal dmg over time instead of 1-shot like assasin. So it is hard to find what is assasin , what a Juggernaut and what a good diver. Good example Renekton : In early he is a good fighter but in late he is like a normal tank without a good impact.

Jansports1 votes

I know it probably wont happen, but I really hope Irelia will be able to jungle, she's not currently great there but I love her design (fantasy not mechanics) But I absolutely hate top lane it feels so oppressive and demoralizing just about every game

Leyin1 votes

Yeah, I think giving her more mobility and some more skill shots and a useful ult would be nice. Q = simple point and click engage tool W= buffed auto attack , E= interesting idea but nothing of these spelsl have a function with her blade. I think changing her blades to a kind of Xayah feathers ot Shen Blade would give counterplay and a better kit. Sure her ult use the blade, but srsly? This ult has 4 skillshots without something special.

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