Zed Changes

CleanestRivenNA·Nov 16, 2015·1 votes·568 views

I heard he is getting PBE buffs to extend W range, but I really don't think he needs it. I've been playing Zed since I started the game and after the 5.22 Patch he feels incredibly sluggish and awkward to play. Its got to the point where even in favorable match-ups he is getting either shut down or just plain beat because he has zero poke with the new W-Q interaction and therefore cannot assassinate in lane. Also with the new items and masteries he definitely has the potential to be strong, but the ADC itemization is to the point that when he assasinates in team fights he is insta-bursted before he can W out (W is super slow now, cast time animation is funky as all hell) or position back to his R shadow. I'm not sure how Riot can help him but he is basically unplayable at this point and it sucks :/

12 Comments

MasterSomethingNov 16, 20151 votes

Just because you can't abuse a glitch he's unplayable? That's really sad. If you think it's slow, then adjust your speed accordingly.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20151 votes

Why is an animation canceling a "glitch"... The same thing exists for Yasuo and Riven where they have AA and ability animation cancels. Both of these champions rely on these "glitches" to win lane and to trade effectively. In the case of Zed, the animation canceling was the only viable way to poke in lane against ranged mages or marksman. And as far as being "slow", there is also no cast time animation cancel for his W, I timed it in a Customs game and it takes 0.5+ seconds to cast and swap to W shadow, thats the equivalent of and abilty+AA from most champions and sometimes 2 AA from high AS marksman. With the new PBE "buff" that is almost most certainly going to increase the cast time and swap. With new itemization being the way it is, thats almost half health gone immediately from ONE champion. How is an assassin supposed to do his job effectively when he cant even survive long enough to lay down ANY damage? Especially in Zeds case as he relies on the FOLLOWUP dmg to make the assassination.

MasterSomethingNov 16, 20151 votes

Instant W+Q isn't animation canceling. It's called abusing a glitch because the Q is being tossed while W is still moving. That shouldn't happen.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20151 votes

Why shouldn't you be able to cast Q while W is moving.... there are literally hundreds of other abilities that can be cast one after the other. Rito is basically saying that your Q is "unusable" while W has to COMPLETE its full animation, which as I've stated before is slow as fuck. I wouldn't even call it a glitch because before the change it followed the regular rules of gameplay where as soon as the initial cast time for one ability was completed the next cast time could start. Look at LeBlanc for example, she can cast E, then IMMEDIATELY cast Q so that the dmg is amplified by the Q passive. Thats the same mechanics as Zed's old W-Q cast. If they change Zed so that he cant cast W-Q one after the other, then they should change Lb so she cant cast Q until her chain has completed its full animation -.-

MasterSomethingNov 16, 20151 votes

The thing is, the E is completed cast the moment it goes out. Zed W still has to move to the location. Nonetheless, I think it was an attempt to nerf the harass he did with that combo.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20151 votes

Well it did its job, I just think it did it a little too effectively. Its much more dangerous to harass with W-E because you lose your only form of escape as well as you extend yourself in lane.

All im saying is, if they want to make Zed a viable assassin again they need to do something (not including extending an already slow W cast) to make his assassinations viable. Until then I doubt we will see Zed for a long time in either LCS or high elo. Already Talon is making a resurgence in higher elo because the new items cover some of his flaws and he is a much more reliable source of dmg, most of which is initial dmg and doesn't rely on followup (aka more time to die) .

MasterSomethingNov 16, 20151 votes

Eh, Zed has gotten weaker (Or I've gotten better) I will admit, but just wanted to point that out. Talon, just put a pink ward and he won't be able to ult as an escape.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20151 votes

As someone who became very proficient with Zed, the changes make me very sad. And you'd be surprised how many people never have pinks and/or think to place them.

MasterSomethingNov 16, 20151 votes

Cough Low elo I'mahypocrite Cough Yea, I can understand someone's main getting nerfed. Just find a slightly different way to play him. Energy champions are hard to balance because they have limitless harass. Just wondering where the fucking Kennen nerfs are.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20152 votes

The thing is there is no way to play him in soloq, he needs peel to do dmg and he can splitpush. Both of which are not really advisable in soloq cause teams have 0 communication and you get flamed for days for staying backline and not "doing anything."

Inb4 the team lets a 10/0 Renekton dive bomb your ass Kappa

And people wonder why they lose 5v4, as they let the mid/ad carry insta die. Its great.

Love NA soloq 4Head

WalkingInACircleNov 16, 20151 votes

Seriously, I always found harassing with him better if you just spammed Q and saved your w for all ins/escapes. I only ever used WQ to clear waves or for the extra range when teams were having standoffs.

CleanestRivenNANov 16, 20151 votes

Its the only way to play him now... the only problem is you have to extend in lane to land poke which makes you incredibly vulnerable to ganks. Where as before you could safely land poke from a less dangerous position. Now some might say thats "OP," but i think its not because he is a melee AD who isn't really that tanky. He has plenty of other weaknesses to exploit. Now that he cannot land poke without extending he is basically useless as an assassin because he can not land enough follow up dmg to 100-0 an enemy champion before he is killed, without having landed some initial poke beforehand.