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So... How can we fix Taliyah (Balance Discussion)

Blackmagemasher··3 votes·448 views

I know the title is misleading, because by all means she is not "broken", I just feel she could do better. I also know that people have bias' towards characters they like to use. Anyway....

How i would fix Taliyah

I would like to see her laning be a tad better than it is now. I felt like she was incredible before her most recent nerf. Her laning is still good now, but if you "Q" too much you run into alot of problems, and her auto attack just sucks for laning. You can use W and E to clear lines of minions, but you run into MP drought, and the returning for it isn't worth the gain... So I was thinking, why not let her Threaded Volley have the 1st hit do 50% more damage to minions, after that the additional 5 do regular damage.

This would fix 2 of her problems. It would allow her to use the "worked ground" to shoot single rounds at minions (because they only shoot 1 bolt rather than 6) and it would allow her to have some push if she needed it.

The other thing I feel she could benefit from would be the ability to Rock Surf on her (E) Unraveled Earth. Her Rock Surf is amazing for getting to lanes quickly when you have to back. It makes me almost (well....usually) not buy boots until laning ends. By allowing rock surf on that move, it would allow her to shoot it away from enemies in order to start surfing for hasty retreats (and you can than attach yourself to one of the many walls to continue surfing once off the unraveled earth).

I am sure their are flaws to my thinking, but does anyone have any good ideas for her...

7 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Rock surf only works out of combat. You wouldn't be able to use it in that situation you described

Blackmagemasher1 votes

I have kinda noticed that, i just assumed since it takes her a moment of running on a wall before she starts her rock surfing that it was being interrupted before she could start it.

I just feel her moves, while really good, are only good at 1 job :-(

I also feel like she is strongest in the first 10 minutes, after that it is almost fair for the next 20, than after that she is useless because she is too squishy to do too much.

Astôlfo1 votes

It'd be great if Riot would actually settle on one focus point for her instead of trying to make her a zoning control/disruptor mage, a burst mage, and a waveclear/splitpushing/near global map pressure mage and then failing at all 3 because then she becomes too good and gets neutered by nerfs as a result.

Blackmagemasher1 votes

I like her, and I like how jack-of-all-trades she is. I just feel her biggest problems come from the fact they wanted to be a lane clear champion, and she was great at that (To be fair, she was so squishy that if you weren't careful, you were just asking for their jg to gank you before the nerf). Now I have to put so much into getting an advantage in laning with her because she kinda sucks now (i just focus 100% on W E combo and killing champs with Q after level 3) just because the only way to get an advantage in laning is to spook the opponent into not wanting to be by you...

And that really sucks (because it just turns into 20 min of 2 people picking off lone minions and praying a Jungle comes in to either resuce the situation or die trying to push her back)

Astôlfo1 votes

They originally only designed her to be the former. And then changed it to include the second. And then changed it again to add the third. (I might have gotten order of second and third flipped, but point still holds).

The removal on the lockout of the W was stupid. It was the whole reason the massive E detonation damage that could kill pretty much any squishy mid below like 30-40% health was perfectly balanced. With the removal of the lockout and vector-casting change implemented, it's far easier to do the combo as well as W-E instead which gives even less time to react. So they neutered pretty much her one and only major source of damage to enemy champions.

With the nerfs, she's pretty much forced to stay in lane to farm now, except now she's awful at that too, with the damage nerfs between both Q and E. And her damage on enemy champions is practically worthless now.

Blackmagemasher1 votes

See I played her once when she first game out... Than when she went on sale I bought her and started to get good with her (So, I started after they removed way her E combo worked)

I felt like she was awesome because of her Q's pushback, 2 Full Volley's were enough to push the minion wave out of camp, or to kill the wave. It allowed her abit of time to set up a W into E (the cooldown on them and MP cost was enough punishment to not use them without setup) and the hit would cause like 40% damage. She was great at keeping the enemy champion on his toes, and slowly starving him by Q'ing at him if he went for minions (their tower became a weapon against them because they couldn't get the kills, tower would).

Now I have to Q E W to get a lane clearned at level 8 and the cooldowns are too much for me to do anything else, or it takes 3 volleys to clear a lane, that starves me of spots to do full volleys if the enemy comes.

inplane1 votes

Bring back Lockout on her E, buff her E damage to release state, lower the cooldown on W by like 2 seconds, and give W some QoL changes. Locking out E would give E buttloads of more counterplay, freeing some power budget and allowing E to have the high damage it used to have. The W nerf was honestly a flick to the forehead and plain unnecessary. Making W cast when the arrow appears would let it cast faster, getting rid of that stupid input delay.

Reduce E's damage against minions by like 30% or 40% so it cannot clear waves as fast. Taliyah players will have to choose between Q for waveclear and poke or E for zone control and higher burst potential.

Boom. Taliyah is once again a zone control mage who has a variety of ways of going about her early and mid game. Her laning patterns will be much healthier and offers much more counterplay all while giving Taliyah some control in return. She has to set up her roams through positioning her Worked Ground to work in her favour once the time comes.

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