Shaco , the nerfs

S0l0Cl0N3·1/2/2020, 6:09:12 PM·1 votes·1,175 views

SO , Yea im a shaco main. I like shaco because of his looks and abilities (the stealthy burst assassin). In the last few years shaco has had some crazy nerfs and everyone knows this his game play has been ridiculous the last 3 season. finaly in a few patches prior the dev team added AOE on his boxes to help him with jungle clear but in doing so also reduced the damage of the boxes. this was a horrible decision it has stunted shaco horribly as well as other changes including his recent ap nerfs to E. this really need to be re analyzed because his gameplay has become unfun once again. ive almost gotten to 1mil mastery on shaco so I can definitely tell the difference. Hid AD gameplay is nowhere NEAR as fun as his AP gameplay and now his AP gameplay is nerfed to the ground so its not fun anymore. people are gunna say "pick another champion" or something but I don't feel like that what the devs truly want.

my suggestion would be to give him his AP ratios back first and foremost change the execute on E to a DoT dmg of poisen after the initial damage from E instead allowing his kit to have more power.

change the affect of the boxes to only lower damage against minions if its causing issues this has been done with other abilities in the past.

and if ur gunna make his Q a valuable move it needs to be hybrid as well. there should be no reason shaco cannot take gunblade and do the same damage as other champions that use it.

the game feels so negative when you hafto give it 300% more effort than someone else just to be on there level.

this is most noticeable when playing against other assassin champs that can build AP. MOST NOTICEABLY KATARINA.

Like wow shaco is getting AP nerfs and everything while katarina can 1v5 a team with higher damage and mobility.

13 Comments

Rewt1/2/2020, 9:11:17 PM2 votes

Here is the difference. (Now remember. I despise Katarina)

Kata has no CC. Shaco has the fear on his boxes and Clone.

Kata has restrictions on her dash as it must be used to a dagger, enemy, or ally. Shaco can just dipsky if he feels like it.

Kata has no stealth. Shaco has True Stealth (So not Camouflage which I think it should be) on his Dash, and the stealth lasts a very long time.

So you have a champion that has essentially no Utility and Tons of damage. and another who has a metric fuckload of utility with Medium-High damage. Shaco Trades off his damage for his utility. Riot is now nerfing his damage more because of how much more utility he has than he used to have. From what people have told me (because I frankly don't remember). His boxes used to not fear if they were being swept. This is no longer the case. Melee's have no way of killing the box outside of a high damage ability from range. So now with this increased power in his utility side, Damage needs to be reduced to balance it out.

P.S. Please stop just throwing comments into the comment section. It's annoying. If you have more to say that isn't in direct response to someone. hit the edit button. Enter down. and type EDIT: and then the message. Proper forum etiquette is a must.

Jimmy Rustles1/2/2020, 6:35:21 PM2 votes

Why do Shaco players act like such victims?

He's in an amazing spot right now and they still want more buffs

He was basically pick/ban in JG and sup lane before they nerfed him after the mini rework and even before the rework he was in top 10 of all junglers

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 6:41:19 PM1 votes

because were absolutely victims , hes not in a great spot , HE WAS in a great spot right after the buffs. now hes been knocked back down basicly to where he was in the prior two years. the problem with the aoe boxes is now there no longer a reliable source of damage to an opponent as long as there is a single minion or jungle monster nearby it instantly cuts down the damage.

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 6:56:21 PM1 votes

Shaco has a massive learning curve to be good and should be rewarded as such no matter what Shaco CANNOT compare to a lot of champions than are beefier faster and do more damage than him. I get it people don't like being killed from someone popping out of stealth. However there are plenty of champions that can do what shaco can do but better with more ease of use .. that's the issue .. shaco needs buffs to remain relevant with the champions that can 1v5 , shaco has a hard enough time getting a double or triple while a lot of champions that are assassin and build AP can outdo him damage and mobility wise. at end game shaco is 3shot to his death by almost any champion. that's why he needs his stealth and mobility. however other champions far surpass shacos stealth with other mobility options that are still assassins (lee sin , KAtarina , Fizz ,yasuo?! and so many more.) and they are all beefier do more damage and are in general harder to kill not to mention they can pull of 1v5s and sometimes win , this is not possible for shaco.

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 7:24:45 PM1 votes

I'm not delusional and your obviously more biased than I am. I don't want him to be the best I do however want him to be better. he had a high win rate because the people that play shaco came back for the rework. I get it you obviously dislike the champions playstyle. I have plenty of experience on the champion to have a good opinion. I feel like you don't because your now attacking me rather than an actual discussion on your own interpreted play witht he champion you think its better to throw stats wich you have not collected or experienced.

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 8:40:49 PM1 votes

.. see this is where you translating my words to fit your biased. "I don't hate shaco and I've played shaco and seen success". Now I have seen success and I feel like ive played him every itemization possible in my experience. yes you are correct he can succeed! so can all of the other comparative champions yup they can succeed. but how hard is it to succeed , when you succeed to you get carried? or do you carry? … is it possible to outright carry ? when comparing to other people in his position? simple answer is no , if you actually sit and think about it ABSOLUTELY not. you are never gunna see him carry like a yasuo / zed / katrina/ fizz / Rengar / Khazix / Talon /leblanc / olaf / Trynd / Yi/ the list goes on. HE LACKS THE CAPABILITY. you wanna talk about some low hp kills go ahead , non of these afformentioned champions need there enemy to be damaged.

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 10:08:32 PM1 votes

"from what people have told you" your not even experienced enough to form a proper opinion so your choosing to side with your Acquaintances. please don't be sheep.

Katarina has a lot more mobility than shaco , shacos Q really doesn't even do dmg anymore (reliably speaking) unless your decked out in pure damage. this is not the case for katarina.

Shaco doesn't "need" true stealth hes useless against pink wards and red trinket. Katarina yah not so much.

Il continue commenting because that's what these forums / discussion board are for.

save yourself the time of replying to this post as you have nothing to offer as far as experience.

Please do not attack me or my etiquette.

Sylaelque1/3/2020, 10:50:31 AM1 votes

You are not even good on Shaco with 4.1 / 5.5 / 8.9 kda ratios yet you have 53% wr... [sg-lux-2]

Oh sorry, you are playing him as support.

Vonyalo1/2/2020, 6:23:21 PM1 votes

No

Greenlightx1/3/2020, 10:56:34 AM1 votes

shaco is the most anti fun pos in the game, stealth and stealth boxes etc, he should be left as he is, and that's being generous.

S0l0Cl0N31/2/2020, 6:31:01 PM1 votes

At least contribute to the discussion. I get it you don't like shaco you prefer a kayle or something good and holy. im looking for intelligent contributions to the discussion. thanks.