Why does this still happen?

1337Wannabe··5 votes·1,455 views

Years and years of riot editing and fixing the ranking system for games like this to still happen on a consistent daily basis:

http://i.imgur.com/KqZ1M2Q.png

I just don't get how they're letting this still go on.

I'm starting to understand why people buy accounts, power rank, and other methods of not having to deal with this. Shaco

48 Comments

PogChampEleGiggl5 votes

You have a good game

Everybody else in your team by chance happens to have a bad game

Yup, it's riot's fault


^ average person who complains about matchmaking ^

p.s assist's aren't merely a number. they mean more than you might imagine

edit: with that one assist, it looks like you got quite a few lucky last hits, and used that as a basis to blame your teammates. are you in silver? edit2: yes you are

1337Wannabe2 votes

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You have a good game

Everybody else in your team by chance happens to have a bad game

The thing with this is that this is a common occurrence for many of the players in any tier below plat, Plat is around the area people get the power-ranks to and out of the gold cycle of hell, You're finally able to not worry about your entire team doing bad, just a few players here and there.

And yeah, I guess It's silly to blame the game developers who have tried and with many trials and errors, have yet to make a decent match making system that is based off of your overall gameplay instead of division status and placement,

And as for the assists, I was actually solo in a lot of the kills since my team would, well, die, they got assists from me, not the other way around. And to argue that fact, just look at the kill and death ratios.

I really don't even know why your arguing against the facts instead of doing anything nice, supportive and useful.

Z Statistic7 votes

Lol

You have no idea. People still fuck up horrifically in plat. The difference is that in silver 5, fucking up horrifically is dying 8 times and being 60 cs behind by 30 minutes

In plat, fucking up horrifically is dying once in lane before 15 minutes in a 1v1.

There is no magical land of elo where people don't feed and your game are fundamentally different. What I see a typical losing team in a silver game. IF that were a plat game, it had to be normals where people were fucking around. Plats don't collectively die that much in a game for two reasons: 1) they have a better understanding of their limits and 2) the game wouldn't lat that long to begin with.

1337Wannabe2 votes

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edit: with that one assist, it looks like you got quite a few lucky last hits, and used that as a basis to blame your teammates. are you in silver? edit2: yes you are

You used this post to have your own personal rant, I didn't even blame riot, even though it is their fault for having a bad matchmaking system, I didn't "blame" my teammates for the loss, I was stating the fact it happened and consistently happens and that It doesn't seem quite right how much skill difference there is between me and some of my teammates when a large portion of the time my enemies are on par with each other with communication and guidance, But na you're right man, This was actually entirely my fault for not being able to control 5 computers at once.

Crossette1 votes

being too afraid to comment on your main

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

You aren't very smart, are you?

PogChampEleGiggl1 votes

you should all observe this thread

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/VNBEWKNM-learn-to-screenshot-in-game-for-evidence-of-trollingtoxicity

instead of assuming i'm out here to get you. there's almost no information given on this thread to go on and all you are going to get is a bunch of biased readers who have complained about this before without any actual evidence.

1337Wannabe1 votes

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you should all observe this thread

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/VNBEWKNM-learn-to-screenshot-in-game-for-evidence-of-trollingtoxicity

instead of assuming i'm out here to get you. there's almost no information given on this thread to go on and all you are going to get is a bunch of biased readers who have complained about this before without any actual evidence.

Thanks, I will use this more often but even so I don't think it will help much, I'm sorry for being passive-aggressive It's just frustrating getting put into games like this where I know I can do better, and I want to do better but this is a team game, and it always will be.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

none of their kda are even >1. assists count in that and it still holds man.

PogChampEleGiggl2 votes

wait you think that a >1 KDA is some bold line between being good and bad? That if you have a <1 KDA then it's riots fault because of their matchmaking system? There's high elo challenger games where a game can go 1-20, but each and every person on the losing team could still carry a game in your elo and ace you over and over by themselves.

When you lose, you lose. It doesn't matter how well you played or what the score was, you can't translate KDA to the flaws of the matchmaking system

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

wait you think that a >1 KDA is some bold line between being good and bad

I never said that is was a cutoff, but it is indicative of performance.

That if you have a <1 KDA then it's riots fault because of their matchmaking system?

I never said that... where do you get this stuff from?

each and every person on the losing team could still carry a game in your elo and ace you over and over by themselves.

instead of resorting to personal attacks you can just piss off now.

PogChampEleGiggl1 votes

Boy. you love to get offended, don't you?

All my responses are based off of the post you replied to, so it was only common sense to believe that's what you were talking about.

instead of resorting to personal attacks you can just piss off now.

^ this is your average response by somebody who is butthurt

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Its the reply of someone who was insulted. If you want better conversations on the boards then drop the strawmans and ad hominems.

PogChampEleGiggl1 votes

you're being entirely too sensitive and acting as if I'm making it a personal matter, when it is you making it personal. A big reason I can tell is that you are downvoting all of my posts, as if I intended to insult you.

Are you going to say to my face that you're better than the top 50 players (by acting all offended when I say they are the best players in the game and better than you?) who also grind endlessly 13+ hours a day playing league of legends, some who even make money off of it?

Come on, get a grip man. It's not like I said I was better than you, don't take it all personal

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

Don't say anything to them, though...you'll be banned for being mean.

1337Wannabe2 votes

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Don't say anything to them, though...you'll be banned for being mean.

I know and I've avoided being negative as much as I can, And I never say "Report ___ please" anymore. I used to but that just makes things worse.

Comical2 votes

Don't worry bro.. You're not the only one..

http://s16.postimg.org/e2s5ulx7p/asdf.png

ZephyrDrake2 votes

because people don't have bad games... there are games i have gone 0/8/3 and others i have gone 6/2/15. People have bad games and they have good ones. Looking at a single game says nothing since like i have said, they could be having a bad game. You have those games, I have those games, the pros have those games. It happens to everyone

Best Darius KR1 votes

I would cover up those names ASAP if i were you.

1337Wannabe1 votes

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I would cover up those names ASAP if i were you.

Fixed, thanks Shaco

The Deckowner1 votes

i have seen worse ones

1337Wannabe2 votes

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i have seen worse ones

http://i.imgur.com/A6q4Yth.png

This is the queue I just joined, Within 30 seconds of the queue start. I don't think riot understands whats going on.

Weathered1 votes

Your last 10 games have been 5 wins, 5 loses (50% winrate) according to lolking.net, one of which an Urgot was carrying your team with a 14/6/17 KDA (you had least damage despite building full AP Nasus). I understand that it seems like you get unlucky and are stuck with people who are performing badly, but you are averaging normal matches with a variety of players who will both do bad and will carry.

We tend to see the more negative sides of things more clearly than the positive, and remember the games that everyone else did badly in rather than the games in which that one player carried us.

1337Wannabe2 votes

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Your last 10 games have been 5 wins, 5 loses (50% winrate) according to lolking.net, one of which an Urgot was carrying your team with a 14/6/17 KDA (you had least damage despite building full AP Nasus).

You know this was an aram right? :P Shaco

I know I have my issues and every game I take the time to realize what I'm doing wrong and try to better myself, Like games I get put as ADC, I am not an adc player and I have no choice but to ADC. It all adds up in the end and when you get down to it my skill alone won't help me, I need a team and that's asking a lot for a silver player. I'll be bronze soon, again which I'm not looking forward to but I don't have any choice, No matter how good I do myself I don't get the back up I need, the games i DO win are great and I let out a breath of fresh air every game I win, The harder games are even better because I have to push myself to win but when I get games where it's just feed all game I'm just there like "damn.. I really can't do anything for this." I stopped playing tanks for this reason, I'm a really good rammus, pretty good Naut and a decent Maokai and I can peel for as long as my team needs me but I never get that back up that I need.

Weathered1 votes

Oh derp i didn't see it was ARAM. Ya, was wondering why there was that mix of champs xD

Bottom line is that the matchmaking is pretty even, but there is the occasional game that everyone does terrible except you. I usually play with friends in games, because then there will be that many less people that can feed. The struggle is real, and I'm in silver too. If I get out of here, ill come an get you so I can tell you how :P

Hellioning1 votes

People have bad games. It happens. No need to get mad at Riot about it.

1337Wannabe2 votes

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mad at Riot

I wouldn't say I'm "mad" at them for it.. I just think they could do better than what they do if they wasn't so focused on making money with new skins and LCS promos.

Hellioning2 votes

Because the same people that make skins and focus on promoting the LCS are also the people that work on matchmaking.

Clearly.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Clearly the company can only allocate their resources in the way they do now. No re-prioritization or assessing how they use their resources is allowed.

Hellioning1 votes

What 'resources' are you talking about? It can't be manpower, and firing a whole bunch of people so they can hire another bunch of people wouldn't end well anyway. Throwing money at this won't solve this 'problem', either.

How do you think Riot could fix this 'issue'?

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

You don't have to fire and hire, people can be reassigned. You can clearly take some of the data analysts from one team and temporarily reassign them to work on matchmaking. I don't have the solution but i know how to find it, and that is for their talented data mining junkies to be looking at the problem.

Hellioning1 votes

Why would people who know how to analyze data also know how to code matchmaking?

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Both are data analysis. It's literally my job right now (not at riot of course) and i know i could do that in either team.

Hellioning1 votes

There's a difference between analyzing data and actually making changes based on that data.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

But once you move the data analysts the rest of the matchmaking team can make more informed decisions and improve the system. Knowing is half the battle.

All in all if you think riot can't improve the matchmaking system because they don't have the resources i really don't know what to say.

Hellioning1 votes

I'd question the validity of the matchmaking system being broken in the first place. But whatever, we're just arguing in circles.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

When plats are regularly being matched with/against bronze, it really isn't a question.

brad1 votes

"look at me i did well but my teammates didnt"

you cant "fix" someone fucking up

im sure you're never had a negative kd ratio in your life right?

1337Wannabe3 votes

If you took more time to read the thread you shouldn't be so rude.

TheProAndrew1 votes

welcome to season 6

the season where the first blood makes u snowball like never before and almost impossible to comeback, so obviously if they snowball ur team will keep feeding because there is no counterplay to that

Baunjo2 votes

That is the very reason people go 1/9. Giving up a kill does NOT mean you have to keep giving up kills. You CAN stop fighting them, ward up, back off if you think you are gonna die, and get carried. You do not HAVE to feed just because of first blood.

TheProAndrew1 votes

think about it, towers are now weaker than before its so easy to dive even if u are behind because as i said towers are weak, also no green wards and high cooldowns on trinkets makes the vision even more difficult and more dependant on supports

specially when 11/10 games there is a LeeSin who can jump to u destroy u and put a trinket to escape with 70% hp

Baunjo1 votes

Theres this magical button in this game that takes you back to your base! It is very useful when you think you will die to avoid dying

TheProAndrew1 votes

which takes 8 seconds to channel ya great advice m8

Baunjo1 votes

Thats why you dont use that button unless you arent in a place you would die! WOAH!!!

1337Wannabe1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/YARtImU.png

I will update regularly with screenshots to just sweeten my argument. Shaco Not everyone will feed, Heck sometimes not even most, But there is CLEARLY some sort of difference between skill if I'm going the statistics I am and they go how they do, I won't be counting any games I'm adc, It's my worst role and I tell the queue every queue I'm in.

ZephyrDrake3 votes

{quoted}

http://i.imgur.com/YARtImU.png

I will update regularly with screenshots to just sweeten my argument. Shaco Not everyone will feed, Heck sometimes not even most, But there is CLEARLY some sort of difference between skill if I'm going the statistics I am and they go how they do, I won't be counting any games I'm adc, It's my worst role and I tell the queue every queue I'm in.

sweeten what? have you not seen the games in which pros themselves go like 2/9/4 or something like that? in multiple games? people go on tilt and play bad. Some other times you just have the bad luck of being in a game in which someone is about to tilt. It also doesn't help that there are games in which you make a mistake early in the game and your lane opponent just absolutely destroys you no matter what you do. Also why are you not counting your ADC games? just because it's not your greatest role? have you ever stopped to think that some of those people doing bad might be playing in a role in which they aren't the greatest either?

Punkkee1 votes

i dont see how riot can fix this "problem". There's alot of things you can do if you truly believe that you're superior in skill than the average skill level of your teammates. It seems like you play cassiopeia alot, who isn't superior in roaming, so helping your teammates out isn't happening. This is a team game afterall, expecting 3/3 lanes to win is too much. Besides roaming to help your team, warding helps, pinging, etc just overall team effort activities. In this snowball season, a single lane that wins can win the game. How to do this when you're winning lane? help other lanes. even if they're winning, help them. even if the enemy is at their turret, dive or 3 bot to get turret. anything it takes. What should you not do when you're winning lane? do nothing and farm. What will a 10/0 cass with 200 farm at 20 minutes do against 5 averagely strong enemies? nothing. it's a team game which seems to be what you're mostly struggling with. Again, a person cannot be labeled a certain skill level because there just are too many factors. Tilt, bad games, being forced into a bad role, etc. however there HAS to be a method of labeling skill therefore MMR is released. Riot isn't too fond of labeling skill levels of a personthough so theychoose to hide MMR from the public. If you thoroughly feel that this is all BS and that you are just superior than your teammates, then w/e play hypercarries or something like jax/kat/karthus

TLDR: Riot can't fix something that can't be fixed If you're winning lane help other lanes. Stomping your lane and carrying hard is possible but is rare/difficult and will only take you so far play hypercarries if you believe you are just better.

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