Since 7.1, Elise has tanked again

Mommy Elise·1/24/2017, 10:10:46 PM·2 votes·1,500 views

The last time I made this post, Elise was sitting around a 47% winrate, 1% lower than Kindred and below the typical 48%-49% that she usually seems to be at.

With the jungle experience nerfs in 7.1, her winrate has yet again tanked, and this time it's hitting experienced Elise players.

This is currently Elise's Champion.gg for 7.1 as you can see, experienced Elise players (Those with 50-125 and 125+ games played on the champion) are hardly having any more success on the champion than inexperienced ones.

The entirety of Elise's graphs tell a sad story, and I hope this is something that, with upcoming jungle nerfs once more, Riot eventually looks into.

For the record, This is Kindred's Champion.gg for 7.1. Kindred is a champion that many believe needs buffs. As you can see, not only is their overall winrate better, but we see a trend that we expect. More experienced Kindred players are having more success on Kindred. Yes, you can argue the pick rate is lower so what we're looking at here is possibly more the true onetricks, but still, the point remains. People with experience on Kindred are doing substantially better than people with experience on Elise. That's not to say Kindred needs buffs, but at the same time, Elise is heading down the same road due to nothing but a series of indirect nerfs since the removal of Strength of the Ages.

While Elise herself hasn't been nerfed, her core items have, along with the jungle itself. Protobelt and Rylai's Crystal Scepter both received nerfs, as well as the changes to Abyssal Aura no longer acting like magic penetration. In addition, jungle exp was nerfed to prevent junglers like Lee Sin from ganking early with no consequences, but Elise is also an early ganking playstyle. Elise does not clear raptors as well as Lee (It's not really dangerous to do so, but it is slow)

I said before that Elise would be hit by the 7.1 Nerfs to the Jungle. She has been. Hopefully she doesn't have to be in the same state as Nidalee before this is addressed.

It's very possible that the nerfs to the jungle plus upcoming CoC nerfs will see her winrate climb, due to Vi and Hecarim becoming less popular choices, however, her winrate did not see a climb after the Lee Sin nerfs, so hoping on this is probably not wise. My personal predictions for 7.2 are Elise will remain at a 46% winrate, or will drop lower. I hope to be proven wrong.

The sad thing is that this is indicative of the state of AP junglers. Both Elise and Nidalee, the two most popular high elo AP junglers are all but gone from the meta, with Elise putting up bad scores and having her playrate drop, and Nidalee currently listed as the lowest performing jungler in patch 7.1

7 Comments

MrHaZeYo1/24/2017, 10:30:49 PM2 votes

Buff my spider queen.

Tormentula1/24/2017, 10:37:17 PM2 votes

I'm a 1.13million mastery point Elise.

All I have to say is she's completely fine. While her winrate dropped below kindred, kindred has no playrate making their sample pool low (mains struggle with her).

Elise on the other hand, she has a really high pick rate right now, 5.46% to be percise on champion.gg. This is healthy for her as elise does have a rather low skill ceiling and a high skill floor, and her winrate while low, reflects her high pick rate (if she had 50% wnrate with 5% pick rate, as an elise main I'd be concerned for nerfs).

I wouldn't touch her, she's strong as it is. Just you gotta mix up your playstyle with her and mix up your build pathing. I have tons of success doing a level 3 double buff clear, ganking, and then stacking a dark seal and going full AP from there with boots rush and then proto.


"But elise has a low winrate even with experienced players compared to kindred"

Cause these are die hard kindred one tricks cause nobody else really plays them. Elise is flexible and there are lots of people who don't even main her with 125+ games. You're either god tier with kindred or trash tier with kindred you have to know everything about your opponents. Elise on the other hand can be one of those champions you just lock in cause you feel like it or your team composition really needs her while kindred is a niche pick so chances are you're maining them if you're even picking them.


Lets be real here, who do you know with 125 ranked games on kindred, with only a month this season? That 89% winrate is probably one guy maybe even smurfing compared to elise being a meta pick and quite a few people having that experience and simultaneously winning and losing.

I don't even have 125+ games on her this season and I play everyday lol.


Want some education?

Right now. In Korea:

Winrate: 50.43% Pickrate: 24.94% Banrate: 11.12% (11th)

and you wanna buff that? Korea would shit their pants LOL even faker bans her.

Also Champion.gg isn't accurate right now, she has around a 7% pick rate in NA, check op.gg for my sources.


TL;DR: don't buff her, she's strong as it is...