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Yasuo is op with the new crititems? Tryndamere just hit rock bottom

Paxon··7 votes·1,927 views

Yasuo get's instant compensation buffs when his winrate goes south and he got even stronger with the new crititems. But trynd got hit hard and will be nerfed even more next patch with the new conq rune. His pickrate is only slightly above 1% and his winrate is down to 47%... but the best thing is that it is now super obvious to see that trynd is not a lategame champ.

Check http://na.op.gg/champion/tryndamere/statistics/top

Trynds only role is top, he can't jungle and gets shit on by practically every champ that is ranged. His early game is abysmal. So why is it that trynd has the LOWEST (26%) winrate of all toplaners in late game?

A champ that has a hard early should be at least decent in late game. Champs like Jax and Fiora get to play urf with shojins spear. Jax with ult and spear is basicly immortal and fiora deals so much (true) dmg that even a 600 armor malph dies in 2 sec against her. And i am not even talking about any of the new champs.

Trynd is so bad right now that he must be considered a troll pick. Trynd has basicly no winning lanes, even the "good" ones are still skill and game knowledge dependant. But he has a lot of super hard counters... kennen, tahm (with hail of blades just lol), vayne, lucian, karma, jayce, nasus, liss are just the first ones that come to mind and that is only for early game top.

You could argue that there are other champs like tryn with a bad early game (e.g. the passiveless champ wukong) and that trynd can win vs champs like wukong (super rare matchup because wu also has a super low pickrate), but then you check wukong stats and he has one of the highest winrates of all champions in late game.

So my question is... where are trynds compensation buffs? Why do other toplaners get overloaded with passives, extra and/or reactivateable abilites and tryn sits there quietly as a tier 5 champ and gets nerfed further every second patch... conq nerf, tiamat cost increase, crit item nerfs, another nerf with these new changes, conq being unuseable on trynd after next patch etc...

Trynd is now finally the worst champ in league. And people should be banned for picking this champ in ranked because at this point it's just a trollpick.

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Done256 votes

He's on the rework list due to his toxic design. He walks a very fine line between being "a champ" and being "the most cancerous thing ever".

Paxon1 votes

so in what way is he cancerous? it's actually just the ult that makes him hated. and it's not even good. In what way is trynd more cancerous than vayne top? or lucian top? or akali top (who btw still beats trynd into the ground)?

You can always cs with every champ vs trynd. He cannot zone any champ under turret, he is counterable by every champ even if you play bad simply by buying ninja tabi and randuins and is always a glasscannon so your jungler can (if you/your jungler have at least some cc and/or dmg) always gank him even if he is ahead by 3-4 kills (try this against a vayne top who is ahead like that lol).

What happens when you gank a darius that is 1-2 kills and lvls ahead of your laner? what happens when you walk up to a jax in lane that has 1-2 kill advantage and 1-2 lvl advantage? Same with fiora or irelia. But trynd takes so long to snowball and gives the enemy laner so much room for mistakes that i honestly don't see why anyone would ever consider trynd a toxic champion.

When someone picks trynd you are free to choose whatever you want in lane because you can play anything against him. Trynd does not counter any champion in top lane.

Who would you rather lane against? Teemo or trynd? Jax or trynd? vayne or trynd? jayce or trynd? urgot? nasus?... i think you get my point.

And with conq gone next patch tanks hardcounter trynd aswell again. Because trynd won't be able to kill that ninja tabi randuins cho or ornn or maokai but he will always be a freekill vs lanes with so much cc.

Done253 votes

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so in what way is he cancerous? it's actually just the ult that makes him hated.

You just answered your own question. All Skillz already answered, but Tyrndamere pretty much just afk split pushes the side lanes all game long.

Send 1 person to fight? He'll ult and kill them under tower.

Send 2 people? He'll just spin away.

Send the entire team? He'll ult and spin away unless you have a ridiculous amount of CC to hold him in place. Even if you do kill him he can stall long enough for his team to shove mid and take tower.

Ragnaveil2 votes

Don't forget the "healthy" RNG crit.

Done251 votes

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Don't forget the "healthy" RNG crit.

Lv 1 crit ftw.

Paxon2 votes

i don't know where you get that idea from that trynd can dive anyone under a tower? Is he going to dive a lissandra? or a teemo? or a jax? or a vayne? or a renekton? or a fiora? nasus? kled? urgot? or a tank with cc? how would that be possible?

any of those champions can also easily deal with tryndamere the whole game. Solo and especially in a team fight. And there are many more that can do that aswell.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

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i don't know where you get that idea from that trynd can dive anyone under a tower? Is he going to dive a lissandra? or a teemo? or a jax? or a vayne? or a renekton? or a fiora? nasus? kled? urgot? or a tank with cc? how would that be possible?

any of those champions can also easily deal with tryndamere the whole game. Solo and especially in a team fight. And there are many more that can do that aswell.

you are missing the point, he doesnt have to dive or even kill them. he can just sit there an hack on the tower for 5 seconds an do a ton of damage to it, repeat this process and basically he will win the game sooner or later, and still you have to send someone to deal with him an if its anyone who is not super tanky/cc heavy they are going to get dived. the champions kit is basic and broken not to mention his W removes a crap ton of AD. support tryn was a thing due to this for awhile even in high elo. he can hack on a tower for a good 2 seconds before needing to ult an then he can ult hack on it for 4 seconds an either flash/spin over the wall an get away. worst case he dies while you sent 3 people top to deal with him the enemy team is forcing down your mid towers. he is toxic because he forces you to play a way that is unfun and annoying to deal with, its same crap with yi/jax/nasus. all the top laners who sit in a lane a split push all game are just toxic to deal with.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

so in what way is he cancerous? it's actually just the ult that makes him hated.

Its not just his ult, its his trade pattern, its his "skill" expression, its his safety. Literally everything about him brainless. Trading early game? It basically comes down to if he crits or not. How do you play around this? As Trynd or against Trynd, theres no way to play around it. You either auto attack and crit them down or get unlucky and just die. That is not a healthy design. There is no skill expression in Trynd, what do you W at just the right moment? The W that literally cannot miss and only lets you use it if targets are near, not even giving the ability the potential to be wasted. His E essentially lets him pick whatever fight he wants, which means if he wants to fight he runs you down with E+W or if he doesn't he runs away, and E is not a short distance. Then there is his R which is the cherry on top of anti fun that Tryndamere is.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

Agreed. Tryn is just an AA bot

Its All Skillzz5 votes

Tryn is a problem because like yasuo he suffers from being a hyper scaling piece of annoying shit. This is how a game with tryndamere goes.

Tryn feeds he goes 0-15 he rushes tiamat, spends all game split pushing top lane. eventually gets his items can pretty much 1 vs 1 any squishy under tower even when behind. someone has to go deal with him or he is going to take your base. or Tryn gets first blood snowballs out of control has 15 kills an almost full build split pushes your base 2 shotting anyone who even dares to get near him.

You send 2-3 people to deal with the 0-15 tryn cause anyone squishy is just going to get dove, now your down 2 players to deal with someone who should be no threat an the enemy is using their 4 good players to push down another lane and engage on uneven odds.

You send 1 person to stop try, prob the guy who put him 0-15 tryn just ults an spins away comes back later, your now down that 15 kill player they had to go deal with 0-15 cancer hacking on his tower. the enemy team engage the 4 vs 4 without your stronger player an ace you.

Tryn who is 15-0 now needs atleast 3 people with heavy cc to deal with him or they are going to get tower dove an 2 shottted by some right clicks.

This is how most games with tryndamere go. ive seen a feeding tryn be such an issue that he basically wins the game off split pushing a lane by himself an farming gold for his items. his ult is 5 second of cant die, he is basically the tankiest champion in the game.

Paxon1 votes

yeah trynd has no counterplay and stomps every game... i think you play a different game than i do.

And trynd is so good in late game. That is also why he has the best winrates if the game goes into late game.

All of what you said is simply not true and just hyper exaggerated.

What are you gonna do as trynd vs vayne or teemo or jax or nasus if you fall behind early?

Trynd explodes like any adc no matter how fed he is. And then he has 5 sec on almost 2 min cd.

Take any tank with tabi and randuins and he will laugh in trynds face because there is nothing trynd can do to counter that. e.g. trynd would crit for 500 before amor and he needs quite some items to achieve that. randuins passive will reduce that to 400 dmg. tabi will take it down to 360 dmg. And with the amor of those items alone every champ (with base armor) will have at least 55%+ dmg reduction. At the end trynd hits for 160 dmg with a crit. Meanwhile tanks like cho burst him down so hard in late game that he has to use ult immediately. And then tryn will attack 2 or 3 times before he has to back out.

tryn is so far away from being a hyper scaling champ as janna is. But janna is actually usefull while trynd is a trollpick

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

With conquerors, tryn has crapped out on all tanky opponents

Paxon1 votes

conq was the only option for trynd so he was not a complete joke of a champion. And conq was the reason that made tanks vanish from top lane as a whole. But with the next patch even that is gone.

Lovelle2 votes

Trundle is doing worse and Riot ignores him just as much. Riot only cares about the flashy and/or popular champs anymore. Pretty much all of the auto-attackers that aren't Jax, Yasuo or Fiora are struggling.

Paxon1 votes

yeah i've noticed that aswell. Trundle (and skarner aswell) does not even have enough data to show any data or winrates. So maybe trynd is not the worst champ but shares a place with those two.

Lovelle2 votes

All I know is I've just grown so tired of it. I mean, I like this game but it could be SO much better than it is. Riot's blatant favoritism when it comes to balancing would be a great start towards improving this game. Giving us more game modes to choose from would also be nice, but I don't think any of these things are ever going to improve until this game stops making them so much money.

MegaSpaceJX1 votes

Have u seen ap tryndamere in urf? Its so much more fuun than crit

Paxon1 votes

yeah he is quite fun in urf but still nothing more than mediocre.

heroikc1 votes

Because Yas has more convenient counterplay than Trynd.

Its All Skillzz4 votes

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Because Yas has more convenient counterplay than Trynd.

i hate them both, as i set a yasuo 0-6-0 yesterday as ezreal mid and he was so tilted that he basically inting, he got a phantom dancer an suddenly he had to be focused hard in team fights or he was slaughtering our team. think he ended like 12-14 or some shit. actually digusting.

Paxon3 votes

that is because yas actually has a pretty strong scaling aswell as inbuild armor shred and quite a lot of hard cc. you cannot say the same thing about tryndamere because unlike yasuo he has close to no utility and fairly long cds and thus is completely useless if he is behind.

kingDeDeDarius2 votes

I agree

heroikc1 votes

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i hate them both, as i set a yasuo 0-6-0 yesterday as ezreal mid and he was so tilted that he basically inting, he got a phantom dancer an suddenly he had to be focused hard in team fights or he was slaughtering our team. think he ended like 12-14 or some shit. actually digusting.

I said convenient, not guaranteed. Besides, Phantom or Yas would likely get balanced later. These things happen.

AlienPrimate1 votes

I don't see how the changes to crit make Tryn bad. My largest crit in my last game on him was 1296 with only item 3087 item 3031 item 1036 . That really doesn't scream weak to me.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2975214404/209287161?tab=stats

Sucction1 votes

Are you saying he has a 26% winrate late game? Even in the site you linked, he doesn't. It's 44.68%.

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