What is this Wizardry?

shadeslasher·Jun 8, 2016·16 votes·2,319 views

http://i.imgur.com/Q3DVHK5.jpg

Anyone care to explain what this is??? 15/0/8 yet only an A+. Does rito not want me to get a mastery 6?

48 Comments

Wînter FoxJun 8, 201619 votes

You died too many times.

Milodic MellodiJun 8, 20165 votes

#inb4DyingInside

shadeslasherJun 8, 20163 votes

Wow, never though about that.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20167 votes

your cs is bad. its heavily tied to cs

DREADN0UGHTJun 8, 20161 votes

He is the jungler. Also, he has the most farm on his team.

DorkunedAurasJun 8, 20167 votes

by most, do you mean second least?

VvVVvVJun 8, 20162 votes

lol

DREADN0UGHTJun 8, 20161 votes

pointing as his total gold fam

CppLJun 8, 20161 votes

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He is the jungler. Also, he has the most gold on his team.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20161 votes

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He is the jungler. Also, he has the most farm on his team.

well thats not how the system works.

BârdJun 8, 20161 votes

wards. too (to an extent)

If you buy a couple of pinks, you will be more likely to score higher.

KalarepaJun 8, 20162 votes

Really? That's pretty stupid. So you could roam for entire game, keep successfuly ganking all lines, kill all enemy champions multiple times, literally win the game by yourself.
And you still wouldn't get S, because your CS wasn't that high.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20161 votes

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Really? That's pretty stupid. So you could roam for entire game, keep successfuly ganking all lines, kill all enemy champions multiple times, literally win the game by yourself.
And you still wouldn't get S, because your CS wasn't that high.

yeah i know its dumb. it should be kill participation. wards per minute. and damage dealt and taken. and accounts for deaths assists and kills. unless your support. then its ward and kill contribution for the most part

ZerolockeJun 8, 20161 votes

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Really? That's pretty stupid. So you could roam for entire game, keep successfuly ganking all lines, kill all enemy champions multiple times, literally win the game by yourself.
And you still wouldn't get S, because your CS wasn't that high.

It just wasn't cs, it also accounts for him hitting towers, dragons, baron, mini baron, cs, wards, wards killed. Simply put he only killed then backed it seemed. So in truth yes he ganked, but his team carried him. They went and got the goals needed to win the game.

shadeslasherJun 8, 20161 votes

I destroyed 2 towers and helped destroy 2 others. ;_; Only one other was destroyed without my permission. >:(

RIPPED ASSHOLEJun 8, 20165 votes

You ganked alot. That's good, but it confuses the AI into thinking that you're a laner, so it expects you to have higher than 5cs per minute.

USG FailsawceJun 8, 20165 votes

Jesus fuck. How many of these threads are people going to make before they understand how it works? It's been discussed ad nauseum. Read some of the hundreds of threads on this please.

Your KDA is nice, sure. But guess what? That's not all there is to grading. And the fact that it's entirely based on how well you do vs OTHER Hecarims, means that it's not the grading system that's fucked, it's that you simply under performed.

Your cs is abysmally low. You didn't ward nearly enough, and you bought 0 pinks (looks like you never buy them), only destroyed 1 ward. Chances are you went for kills only too meaning once you ganked a lane you didn't help get any or enough towers.

gold per minute, wards, cs, kill participation, turret participation, damage done, damage taken... these are all taken into account.

This is what you can do better...

-Start CSing after a successful gank to shove it to turret (deny's enemy farm via turret destruction, and gives your side more gold overall). -CS in lane when a player backs, to avoid gold loss and excess turret damage. -If there's little chance of being stopped... take the damn turret immediately after a successful gank. Don't go for kills then back to the jungle or some other lane for more kills for yourself. -Buy pinks. every. back. As jungler "main" I've made it a habit of doing this, and it does wonders for counterganks, getting invaded, invading, knowing where the enemy jungler is for your team and your objective control, etc, etc etc. Buy them. Use them. -Place yellow wards everytime they're up. Learn the best places to put them for the time of the game, how your team is doing, and what turrets are down. -Participate in teamfights. Not just gank and cleanup then run away. Add substance to them, and if it means you die for your team to get ahead. Then so be it. More damage taken has said to be a part of grading, as is damage done (which will be low if all you do is gank for kills). -Understand that if you're not getting S's, that you're simply not as good as other Hecarims in said role, and need to work on it.

CC MustangJun 8, 20164 votes

you need CS. Cs counts for a lot. I went 13/12/10 as a zed and got an S because i had over 250 farm.

USG FailsawceJun 8, 20164 votes

To further my post. Ask yourself this... What would happen if your team actually lost?

If you got all those kills, wonderful KDA... and the lanes still somehow fed or lost their turrets. It would mean you were being selfish... you ganked lanes, took kills, and did nothing else for your team to actually win.

Thats why warding, turret/objective participation, damage done/taken, and gold per minute are all taken into account, and NOT just KDA. Because this is a team game. And teamwork is more important than selfish KDA scores.

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Yeah....sadly the game seems to not factor in game length........

It does consider game length, however most players who are awful at farming get significantly more farm and gold per minute during longer games, because it's easier to farm near the end with more AD/AP/mana. Those who are high elo and good players get significantly more farm than others in the earlier parts of the game, including in the jungle.

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the grading system is shit, if you gank a lot and go 16-0-8 as in my case you wont get a S, now if you afk farm and go 8-7 but have good cs you get the S

It's not shit, just because you can't CS and don't understand it and how the game is played. High CS is a lot of gold, gold per minute can be significantly higher with more CS and not as many kills. That's what's important for grading, and more importantly for winning a match.

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Because you only care about a kill count.

Pretty much this. Can't tell you how many times I've seen jungler go for perfect scores like this, and actually end up completely screwing their team over because of it. Gank an enemy Nasus top for instance, and don't give up the kill to the laner. And do that 3 or 4 more times... and then do nothing with the lead, except go for more kills. Meanwhile the enemy jungler is doing the same thing, but giving at least half or all the kills to the Nasus and getting him nice and fed.

And then also he helps take turret on the 3rd or 4th gank.

I'm unranked and I understand all of this, about the grading system and how to snowball lanes, and play for the team (granted I do have my bad games/days). Why is it so difficult for so many others to get?

Celeste BenalJun 8, 20161 votes

This guy gets it. I get S ranks so frequently I maxed out on chests and keys within a week.

Troll for TrumpJun 8, 20162 votes

But he had 8 assists; That's even more than the support. He hasn't died, meaning to contribution to the enemy team.

Even if he had lost, that wouldn't make him selfish.

kaltenashesJun 8, 20163 votes

yep, bad system, in lane, before 10 min, i fed 4 kills to enemy adc, but my team was able to win teamfights. I got an S-, my midlaner the true carry, didnt

Celeste BenalJun 8, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2196788415/206106861?tab=overview

lol, I played Mord jg a week or so ago and completely screwed up my early clears. On top of that, I got counter-jungled constantly by their Kindred. So I was useless trash for the first 20 minutes. I focused exclusively on farming and built full-tank to keep up as best I could. While the other team was focusing on chasing kills mid-game, I took dragons and following up with tower kills because Mord ghost dragons are OP pushing tools. Even got that dank Elder Dragon ghost, pushed 2 towers with it, and got multiple kill streaks. We won mid-to-late game hard.

Final rank? S.

ImmortalBloodCYJun 8, 20163 votes

To low CS, get some more.

TehNACHOJun 8, 20162 votes

Looks like either Orianna or Trynd could be stealing your score.

YrzenJun 8, 20162 votes

Not enough cs?

The expectations for meta junglers are high it seems.

Champion mastery is based on your performance in that champion/role combination compared to other players with that champion/role combination. If you want an easier time getting S', try Hecarim Support. If you do kind of good, it gives out S' like cheap cigars.

FantasySniperJun 8, 20162 votes

#moreCS

Because it matters how much I take instead of how much I contribute.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

ImperialKainJun 8, 20162 votes

If you had Q up with someone in that match, that would have most likely been an S or an S-. I'm sooo not joking about that. The system seems to want you to ks everything to get that S rank on your own in that game.

nice tableJun 8, 20162 votes

the grading system is shit, if you gank a lot and go 16-0-8 as in my case you wont get a S, now if you afk farm and go 8-7 but have good cs you get the S

ThubanJun 8, 20162 votes

Because you only care about a kill count.

Irelia BotJun 8, 20161 votes

My guess is your CS gated your S ranking.

It i s more then just KDA that decides the final grade.

DorkunedAurasJun 8, 20161 votes

big tip, if your team is stomping, it's harder to get high scores. If the game ends 29-29 and you have that score with all else equal, you'd have an S

FioraWillCarryJun 8, 20161 votes

You aren't getting any kind of S with 79 CS in a 24 minutes game.

Vik4prezJun 8, 20161 votes

Does anyone actually know how the grading system works?

Ive heard that its tied to how well you do vs how well other people on the same champion, ive heard that its tied to your role and that there is some system in place to determine your role. Ive heard that kill participation counts for more than just flat kills, and now people are saying its tied heavily to cs. Whats the answer here? Has Riot ever come right out and said plainly what exactly the parameters are for determining an S rank?

SSJTribeJun 8, 20161 votes

they haven't, because they don't want people trying to "abuse the system" to get S ranks.

AnnoxisJun 8, 20161 votes

In your case, you have too little CS, even for a jungler.

manbearswineJun 8, 20161 votes

Quality system.

VvVVvVJun 8, 20161 votes

Yeah....sadly the game seems to not factor in game length........its just simply comparing you to other users of that champ in that role on a large field of factors....not just your KDA. kills, deaths, assist, towers taken, dragons, barons, wards placed, wards destroyed and so on.

Personally I think it should factor in the length of the game and grade you on your performance compared to others in games of similar game length so that when you win a game because the other team surrender you are not penalized.

EDIT: some of these other comments are completely wrong and i think they need to go read what the system actually factors. I will not name names so id just advise you to look it up rather be misinformed.