Seriously. Ranked may be bad, but they don't have hundreds of people being toxic on a constant basis. What gives? There's a minimum of one toxic person per match, and I've seen everything from premade win-trading to premades flaming people.
If this is the newbie experience, how do you expect anyone to stay?
2gudaiya3 votesnorms below 30 are toxic because most of those teams are made of smurfs, and one of them is going to think they're actually good at the game.
Silly Neeko2 votesWell, for 1 it sets you as a smurf. And most people who are smurfing are:
Banned on main and are making a new account to be banned on also because they cant admit they did something wrong.
Are smurfs and expect a newbie to be a challenger tier player and play against smurfs that are potentially plat or diamond at least (and quite often are).
There is a third group, which would be those that are playing champs and roles they do not normally play as much, and wish to help newer players learn as they level type thing, which is what i try to do, but this group is fairly small compared to the other two.
1 and 2 are the reasons it is so toxic pre 30, and part of it is that yes, it is set for smurfs to play with other smurfs. So you see 1 and 2 more often than a genuinely new player, though genuinely new players can sometimes be pretty toxic as well. So ahh well.
TamamØrrion1 votesBut then why are new players with the match history of new players put into my matches, if it detects me as a smurf? What's the idea there?
Silly Neeko1 votesBecause not everyone on your team might be a smurf. If you are playing with a friend, the friend could be new and so that makes everyone on the enemy team potentially new.
Also, while it will try to fill in other smurfs.... the primary goal of the matchmaking system is to get you into a game with a (hopefully) even matched mirror if possible (as in, gold mid vs gold mid type thing). After that, it does have varying skews which Riot only knows.
Well, this is the best hypothesis as to how this stuff happens (hypothesis = educated guess... for anyone who doesnt know).
Which also explains why when you stomp your lane, you could have weaker allies which your laner stomps, which then puts the enemy laner into carrying even though you shut them down too. Many things go into that one as well,
Keymeister1 votes[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=29A5R3W2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-15T11:30:35.075+0000)
Well, for 1 it sets you as a smurf. And most people who are smurfing are:
Banned on main and are making a new account to be banned on also because they cant admit they did something wrong.
Are smurfs and expect a newbie to be a challenger tier player and play against smurfs that are potentially plat or diamond at least (and quite often are).
There is a third group, which would be those that are playing champs and roles they do not normally play as much, and wish to help newer players learn as they level type thing, which is what i try to do, but this group is fairly small compared to the other two.
1 and 2 are the reasons it is so toxic pre 30, and part of it is that yes, it is set for smurfs to play with other smurfs. So you see 1 and 2 more often than a genuinely new player, though genuinely new players can sometimes be pretty toxic as well. So ahh well.
How does it tell if someone is a Smurf? I might be ignorant cause I've only got one account, but how would it know in the first place? (0_o)
Pombagira1 votesI'll just be blunt. Is there that one guy that is stomping your team and has a significant amount of cs that is higher than you and your team's? Most likely a smurf. They tend to look like really good players but in reality they are just average in whatever elo they came from. As time goes on and you get used to the game you will tell who is on your level and who is a smurf.
Skia Asteri1 votesHow does it tell if someone is a Smurf? I might be ignorant cause I've only got one account, but how would it know in the first place? (0_o)
It does not know specifically, rather it just much more aggressive about quickly sorting people into different MMR ranges than initial ranked placements are.
On the last new account I made I was in smurf only land by the fourth PvP game. Even in the second and third there were a number of smurfs, but some of them were people that had been away from the game and decided on making a new account to get back into the game.
The only noob game on the Rift I was in after that was when I found a new player when I briefly played Treeline, and then went into a draft game with them and some of their friends to give some pointers to them. There were other people in that game that I suspect of being smurfs in that game, but they were likely bronze player smurfs.
Modl Ryden l1 votesHow does it tell if someone is a Smurf? I might be ignorant cause I've only got one account, but how would it know in the first place? (0_o)
It's a black box. No one but Riot is supposed to know who is a smurf and who isn't.
However, one can speculate a player is a smurf simply because of an account who has bought a champion who arguably has a high skill ceiling or has the potential to go high in KDA.
Taking Summoner Flash as soon as you get it could be a flag that a level 18 account is a smurf. Optimal build paths could indicate a player is a smurf. Like a new player would think stacking attack speed is a good strat for Ashe or Caitlyn but a seasoned player knows that it's useless to stack 2 Phantom Dancers.
Accessing all chat (or using /mute all) immediately is an indication that a player is not new because you have to dig for it and enable it or type the command for it, something that comes with experience. Typically all chat is a feature reserved to players that will use it as a method of low-brow banter. Toxic players LOVE to all chat so that's a possibility for Smurf detection to believe that an account is a smurf and not a new player.
Actions per minute (APM) might be a good indication of smurfs or even experienced players. Some newcomers might have years of DotA like experience and may translate to LoL. Right-clicking aimlessly doesn't account for high APM but say, using attack-move at level 3 at a high frequency and precision may indicate that this player had knowledge of LoLs controls in the past and have started a new account.
These are all purely just speculation. No one knows how Riot's smurf detection works but these are a few realistic ways I can think that it may work.
Silly Neeko1 votesAs was said.... play patterns, builds, summoner choices (like, who uses cleanse anymore? Those that have a clue what they are doing), csing.... there are programs like Facecheck and Porofessor etc that can tell if someone is a smurf pretty easy and those are not-game-influencing third party softwares.... pretty sure Riot who is not a third party, can do so even better.
Salty Mc Feed1 votesHow does it tell if someone is a Smurf? I might be ignorant cause I've only got one account, but how would it know in the first place? (0_o)
Certain statistics, like consistently higher cs.
PhearBunny2 votesbecause its a hodge podge of banned players from all ranks and gametypes being forced to play against eachother. Mixed in a small amount of actual new players. also differences in account level sub-30 is a direct correlation to your champions power. Lower level players have less summoner ability choices, and less rune points to allocate. Theres no way to fix it, they should stop trying to attract new players because i dont really think anyone makes it through the new player experience at this point. cater to your veterans Riot.
Kroda131 votesBecause of all the smurf accounts
Thilmer1 votesShort answer: because Riot allows smurf accounts. A massive mistake, in my opinion.
Garson2111 votesShort answer: because Riot allows smurf accounts. A massive mistake, in my opinion.
Ekhem i cant buy 30 lvl acc and riot dont have option for create 30 lvl acc connected to main so...
Silly Neeko1 votesThere is illegal (gamewise) ways of buying accounts which is why when you are in a bot game you might see these people with ghost and heal? I think (beginning, fresh out of the gate summoners) that have bought boots and whatever else..... generally migrates to a lane that is doing well and will play very similar to an enemy bot.
Not to say new players wouldnt act like that, but it is highly unlikely and could be on the safer side to just report for cheating/third party use etc.
Also those accounts are banned in waves, so if you put work on an account you bought and it was botted, you will likely be banned because of it. So best not to do it.
xelaker1 votesThe entire game is toxic lmao. Above 30, below 30, ranked, normals and every game mode inbetween.
Modl Ryden l1 votesTypically, if you're a smurf, you will be placed with those kinds of players. It may be hard for you to notice but Riot's smurf detection is pretty good. ['How come I'm always being placed against Diamonds in my Promos' post by Summoner AverageDong47 here]
Basically, if you have to do any advance techniques and champs or equip summoners like Flash super early into your account and abide to typical strong builds of the meta. You will most certainly be placed in smurf queue.
From any player that has surpassed level 30 expecting to play on a new account it will be almost impossible to see what is in store for a newcomer. Simply because you've already consumed most of the content. If there's one thing that new players will care about, is that content, skins, and gameplay. Normally, PVP games aren't the kind of games you'd want to start a social circle unless you've already built one through a connection of IRL friends or go out of your way to make friends in game. It's highly unlikely you'll want to befriend players in normal matches simply because there isn't much to bond over and that a player's main focus is to win so there's less effort into befriending players to begin with.
It's hard to parse actual criticism of the new player experience simply because a lot of new players are just actually new accounts. I'm sure their first instinct wouldn't be to visit the official forums to write a review of the game. I'm sure they'd visit the r/lol subreddit instead. Even then if they're just getting into the game, they're probably more invested in reading about the game than finding reasons to post complaints about it first hand.
Like, as a new player, there's so much content to look into before you actually visit the boards. Which is literally the end game content where seasoned players will whine about Lux getting another skin, why Ekko is still busted, why mages items are still boring AF, which Vastayan grandpa is going to be their e-sugardaddy, etc. There's literally no incentive for new players to visit the boards to make this kind of comment.
But I could be wrong. I have had my fair share of creating smurf accounts just to sit on cool summoner names and have a 'one-trick' account. Queues are hella long and the players were equally as annoying. So Riot's smurf detection is doing it's job (on fresh accounts).
All I remember when I was genuinely new to the game, the first toxic experience I had was when I was about 22 levels in I had experienced the first time someone intentionally fed as a Teemo.
Plus, those beginner summoner icons, OP. You ain't fooling anyone here.