Why are norms below 30 so toxic?!

TamamØrrion·1/15/2020, 11:18:45 AM·2 votes·2,559 views

Seriously. Ranked may be bad, but they don't have hundreds of people being toxic on a constant basis. What gives? There's a minimum of one toxic person per match, and I've seen everything from premade win-trading to premades flaming people.

If this is the newbie experience, how do you expect anyone to stay?

17 Comments

2gudaiya1/15/2020, 12:55:55 PM3 votes

norms below 30 are toxic because most of those teams are made of smurfs, and one of them is going to think they're actually good at the game.

PhearBunny1/15/2020, 12:01:43 PM2 votes

because its a hodge podge of banned players from all ranks and gametypes being forced to play against eachother. Mixed in a small amount of actual new players. also differences in account level sub-30 is a direct correlation to your champions power. Lower level players have less summoner ability choices, and less rune points to allocate. Theres no way to fix it, they should stop trying to attract new players because i dont really think anyone makes it through the new player experience at this point. cater to your veterans Riot.

Silly Neeko1/15/2020, 11:30:35 AM2 votes

Well, for 1 it sets you as a smurf. And most people who are smurfing are:

  1. Banned on main and are making a new account to be banned on also because they cant admit they did something wrong.

  2. Are smurfs and expect a newbie to be a challenger tier player and play against smurfs that are potentially plat or diamond at least (and quite often are).

There is a third group, which would be those that are playing champs and roles they do not normally play as much, and wish to help newer players learn as they level type thing, which is what i try to do, but this group is fairly small compared to the other two.

1 and 2 are the reasons it is so toxic pre 30, and part of it is that yes, it is set for smurfs to play with other smurfs. So you see 1 and 2 more often than a genuinely new player, though genuinely new players can sometimes be pretty toxic as well. So ahh well.

Modl Ryden l1/15/2020, 9:30:04 PM1 votes

Typically, if you're a smurf, you will be placed with those kinds of players. It may be hard for you to notice but Riot's smurf detection is pretty good. ['How come I'm always being placed against Diamonds in my Promos' post by Summoner AverageDong47 here]

Basically, if you have to do any advance techniques and champs or equip summoners like Flash super early into your account and abide to typical strong builds of the meta. You will most certainly be placed in smurf queue.

From any player that has surpassed level 30 expecting to play on a new account it will be almost impossible to see what is in store for a newcomer. Simply because you've already consumed most of the content. If there's one thing that new players will care about, is that content, skins, and gameplay. Normally, PVP games aren't the kind of games you'd want to start a social circle unless you've already built one through a connection of IRL friends or go out of your way to make friends in game. It's highly unlikely you'll want to befriend players in normal matches simply because there isn't much to bond over and that a player's main focus is to win so there's less effort into befriending players to begin with.

It's hard to parse actual criticism of the new player experience simply because a lot of new players are just actually new accounts. I'm sure their first instinct wouldn't be to visit the official forums to write a review of the game. I'm sure they'd visit the r/lol subreddit instead. Even then if they're just getting into the game, they're probably more invested in reading about the game than finding reasons to post complaints about it first hand.

Like, as a new player, there's so much content to look into before you actually visit the boards. Which is literally the end game content where seasoned players will whine about Lux getting another skin, why Ekko is still busted, why mages items are still boring AF, which Vastayan grandpa is going to be their e-sugardaddy, etc. There's literally no incentive for new players to visit the boards to make this kind of comment.

But I could be wrong. I have had my fair share of creating smurf accounts just to sit on cool summoner names and have a 'one-trick' account. Queues are hella long and the players were equally as annoying. So Riot's smurf detection is doing it's job (on fresh accounts).

All I remember when I was genuinely new to the game, the first toxic experience I had was when I was about 22 levels in I had experienced the first time someone intentionally fed as a Teemo.

Plus, those beginner summoner icons, OP. You ain't fooling anyone here.

Kroda131/15/2020, 2:23:29 PM1 votes

Because of all the smurf accounts

Thilmer1/15/2020, 2:57:54 PM1 votes

Short answer: because Riot allows smurf accounts. A massive mistake, in my opinion.

xelaker1/15/2020, 8:59:28 PM1 votes

The entire game is toxic lmao. Above 30, below 30, ranked, normals and every game mode inbetween.