Item suggestion: AD Zhonya's Hourglass & AP Thornmail

The White Eagle··3 votes·494 views

Greetings fellow summoners,

A time ago Riot Games put a new item in the game called: Luden's Echo . That AP shiv item so that AP champions like Veigar have a statik shiv effect like the AD champions when they buy Statik Shiv . So my friend and I thought why isn't there then a Zhonya's Hourglass for AD champs or a Thornmail that counters magic damage instead of basic attacks from enemy champions. If these items are in the game the build style would be more mirrored and probably more balanced so that both sides (AD & AP) have the same advantidge. The AP Thornmail sounds probably OP if the damage sends 30% back if the source of damage deals over 1000 magic damage ex. Veigar's [R]. So I think that there should be a limit then like max 150 magic damage or more send back to the source (choice is up to Riot). For the AD Hourglass it is grazy if it gives you 120 AD instantly if you bought the item. so I think that the amount then should be reduced to 70 or 80 and gives you a bit higher amount of Magic Resist or Armor (choice is up to Riot). I hope that you'll like these suggestions fellow summoners.

7 Comments

Nameless Voice5 votes

Most mages have no sustain, and are generally very squishy. They would have no way to deal with your magic Thornmail. They'd also constantly trigger it with their AoE skills without even meaning to attack their protected champion.

Mandang02 votes

Only if AP gets crit, a decent %HP damage item, and a lifesteal equivalent worth buying. Then we can talk.

Plus, the reason AP got Luden's is because Riot took away DFG.

64931067_DEL1 votes

It is not be the same things, like girl and boy are naturally different. Why AP need Zhonya? Because they live by their skills, and they need to buy some time between their combo. Why counter AD need Thornmail? Because of the natural DPS and HP Steal of ADCs.

Marthian1 votes

And for the same reasons:

AD characters that would build an AD Zhonya would be more safe than they already are (ADCs not really so much since if they would be in a situation to die, odds are they will die anyways.)

AP characters do not have any sustain and their damage is mostly up front. If you itemized enough defense, they are already punished by you surviving.

Abyssphere1 votes

ADCs don't need Zhonya's, they get copious amounts of lifesteal. They shouldn't have a counter to burst AND a counter to sustained damage in their itemisation.

AP Thornmail would be an awful idea for the same reason. Mages don't have the sustain to last through it and as others have mentioned, they'd take damage just by hitting someone with their AOE attacks.

Think before you ask for items to be made. There are very obvious reasons why AD Zhonya's and AP Thornmail can't exist.

JustMyBassCannon1 votes

Oddly enough, an anti-spell Thornmail would have worse effects against non-mages, considering that spell damage =/= magic damage. Pantheon's kit is all spells, they'd all return damage to him. Graves' spells would return damage to him. Riven's spells would return damage to her.

So, of course, we come to the never-answered question: What the hell do you do if someone buys both Thornmails?

Aaravos1 votes

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