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Dear Riot I´d like to talk about Evelyn for a second

Jadiac5··4 votes·4,555 views

Well since my last forum entry wasn´t well recieved i would like to express my feelings about the Evelynn buff in another way, but sadly still in a negative one.

Recap: Ever since you nerved Evelyns q monster cooldown reset a few patches ago I finally had the chance to play Evelyn more in ranked, since many players dropped her, because they either didnt know how to farm now or didn´t want to put in the effort of learning new farming- and ganking routes. Since her banrate went down and at the same time as her winrate due to players not being able to play her as good anymore, many players underestimated her and didn´t know that with the right pathing and strats she was still very strong but also balanced since she couldnt be lvl6 before minute six anymore.

About the new patch: Well yes I do appreciate that Riot wants to give Evelyn the attention that she deserves, but I dont really understand why they did it like this. If you think about it, Evelyns ultimate wasnt really supposed to be the ability you kill the enemys with, it was a engage and disengage ability. The Abilities you mostly killed your enemys with were your E and Q. (Only if you hadn´t killed someone by then, you´d use it as a disengage ability while also probably killing them) If i was playing on the rift and was in a teamfight i would get behind them and try to takeout one player maybe two and disengage with the ultimates backport so that i wouldnt get killed by the remaining players. but i never really used it to kill enemys when i was ganking if i could see that my team would be able to finish them becuase the cd on the ult is very high. I used the ultimate only to secure kills like when they would flash under tower and it wouldn´t be possible to towerdive due to low health or my teammates abilities were all used and they´d still lived.

What I want to know: Dear Riot, as already said I love that you finally give evelyn a bit of attention, but I would really like to know why you made this exact buff instead of any other like making her ultimates cd a bit lower, or making her base movement speed higher since she is very slow until you get full boots. I never thought that dmg is the one thing where you would buff her because that was never the problem on her. Everyone already knew (if you read the ability descriptions) that if you saw the Ultimate symbol on an enemy they wouldn´t be dead for sure (example: if they were tanks or had high mr) but with this buff that exactly is how it is now. Its like a pyke ult without the gold bonus but for that a massive area where everyone under 30% Hp is just gone. So please, if you could give us a detailed explanation why you made this exact buff so that we could understand what you tought when you decicded on this buff and in which way it makes sense to you.

Sincerely Jadiac5

16 Comments

Crystalysk4 votes

Because it's a legit meaningless buff that changes almost nothing about her.

Eve mains probably didn't even notice this buff, except they probably see their champion banned more than before.

Typhl01 votes

Yeah WAAAY more than before , she has like 60%+ban rate in dia+ and it's rly boring

Jadiac52 votes

yeah thats what i meant, I dont even get to play her most of the time and have to play one of the few other junglers im decent with like morde or nocturne

Madjack012 votes

This buff seems to me like a pat on the head for low elo players like me while not changing much for the pros. Unlike what you mentioned I rarely get to kill anything with just q and e, hence probably why I'm considered a scrub. So this buff helps me a lot.

Maybe that was Riots intention? I don't know.

Crystalysk1 votes

You don’t kill people with just Q and E unless you are extremely far ahead or very late in the game and 1v1. Late game though you can just kill any squiscy with E and R for a much quicker execution. If the enemy team is good they kill you during your Q animation so you drop it like you do with W mid game.

If your are against good players you are pretty much useless late game unless you have flash up to gap close before they can see you.

Jadiac51 votes

You start killing people with just Q and E when you have an about 2 level advantage and one or two item advantage. Late game you fall behind becuase there are much more teamfights and its hard to pick out champs while thats goin on, you only get to kill them either way before the teamfight to get the odds in your favor, or after the fight to finish thos who ran back with low hp.

Crystalysk2 votes

The amount of games you have 1-2 items advantage is really little and she sucks late game right now because the team usually lacks of an engager in this meta so you can pretty much wait until everyone on your team dies or make a play every 5 minutes when you have flash

Jadiac51 votes

yes this is really one point I did notice as well, that you rareley have many champions in team that can follow up really quick, but most of the time you can profit from a champ that has a root stun hook pull or knockup, thats why ganking botlane is the best thing to to right now if they dont play xayah & rakan cause that shit is way to broken.

Crystalysk2 votes

You can gank anywhere but at 15 minutes into the game people already group, especially into Evelynn or champions like Talon/Rengar that can just farm the enemy split pusher if they are fed. People group more and start sieging or forcing 5v5 around objectives and if you don't have an engager and you are playing Evelynn then good luck unless you have flash you can't start the fight because they will just insta kill you with a single CC.

It's like starting a 5v5 as Yi, you simply can't go in until all CC spell are down. But recently nobody plays good engager anymore

Jadiac51 votes

I totally agree with that, I would like to have some of the engagers buffed, but as it seems riot doesnt really want their play percentages to really go up. As it is now teamfights really are hard for Evelyn players since this is the cc meta and they stun you in an instant when they see you. Then youre dead and its a 4v5 if you havent killed someone before you died.

Crystalysk2 votes

There is something even more annoying and it’s when you are ready to flank the enemy team and your engager just waits for you to kill someone instead of going in and create some chaos to make your job easier. Then they proceed to spam ping you because you couldn’t 1v5

Jadiac51 votes

First of all why should you be a scrub if you are new to her you are just learning her, well if you want to leep playing her heres a guide i trew togther https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/the-back-to-spawn-edition-558662

Second, I did notice players in lower elos finally getting kills with evelyn, but they just instantly press R when they see the R symbol on an enemy, which is 90% of the time a complete waste since you could have just killed them with the two Q recasts you had left, or another E that just came up. And the thing which makes me angry about this is that it makes the Eve ult like a pyke ult by now where if you see the smybol and when you hit them with your R, they die. Thats it. before you had to know if the ult would finish them, if they had massive MR, if they would survive it, would you have to aim the dash of your ult behind them so that you could finish them then, or should you use it to leave and not kill them because they could kill you? Or are there enemys on their way there which could kill me?

Now its just Press R to kill that guy over there. Thats whats makes me sad, it´s that riot made her way to easy to play.

Typhl02 votes

Idk just read her ult, it's supposed to be used as an execute first, but u can also use it as an engage/disengage, if u use it as an engage and u aren't fed u will just run to ur death, this buff is fine imo

Linna Excel1 votes

I don't think reds read the forums much anymore.

Anyways, if riot is going to do anything about her, I really think a rework should be on the table. I miss hybrid evelynn. I like her old Q more. I don't think adding a charm was the right thing for her character and frankly it seems like the rework tried to make her too much like Ahri. The only thing about the rework I like is the new ult.

Jadiac51 votes

But isnt the charm like her main component if you look at her lore and her ingame character the charm is the one conecting both of them. And to you point about hybrid Evelyn, I think the way she is now is the best state she was in a long time. But i think a total rework wouldnt be necessary for her. I dont really agree with your point about her being like ahri, ahri you can just play and attack since her q does true damage on return it is really strong, but with evelyn the smalled mistake will be your death while you can just dash around with ahri and charm people every 8 seconds. I wouldnt even want to have the hybrid back since she would be have an even bigger disadvantage against other camouflaged and stealth champs then she already has now. I think the Ult buff wasnt really necessary since its strong enough already, I just though they should look at a real weakpoint of hers, like the little MS she has early game.

Linna Excel1 votes

The charm was added with the rework. I just like the old BSDM Evelynn more than fake-human Evelynn.

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