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WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! (Darius)

SoupyNougat··3 votes·1,909 views

OK so here is the deal, Darius was fine before the patch and sure he needed some tweaks and buffs to help us last in team fights and our build was either sacrificing our health and sustain or our damage entirely. the changes made in the juggernaut patch were fantastic in changing the style of game play with Darius......... except for one..... the 2 Fucing second delay on our Q!!!!! i'm sorry for the frustration but honestly riot you thought "hey lets take Darius ya, and lets change his entire game play style ya, and add some really f-ing cool features ya, but lets take our foot and shove it right where the sun don't shine and make him silence himself when he uses his only major damage dealing spell (his Q) so he cant AA, W, E, or ult while he charges up his axe which now now longer does a significant amount of damage because hes falling behind in the fight." and then you might ask "oh but he can heal for 10% of his health when the q goes off" you're damn right it does heal us for 10% but you wanna know something cool about every champion?? IF YOU'VE GOT 30 BRAIN CELLS YOU CAN CHUNK 10% OF HIS HEALTH OFF LOOOOONNNGGGG BEFORE IS Q EVEN GOES OFF SO THAT HEAL IS USELESS!!!!! OK so now for some level headed real talks, riot you need to think this through why on earth would you take away Darius' only possibility to be useful aka being able to chain together a decent combo in which you can do solid damage. so that he can heal for 10% of his health that he literally just lost in his Q's animation. please riot take away this terrible terrible delay that makes it impossible to damage any champion with an escape (95% of every other top lane champion has an escape and darius is still a damn slug... even more so now that we have to wait before doing any damage because of the q delay)

regards, Darius players everywhere!

30 Comments

Reaper Review4 votes

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the 2 Fucing second delay

It's 0.75 seconds.

LoLKiru1 votes

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It's 0.75 seconds.

Its also not really even that hard to hit unless you're laning against someone with an escape (and if they blow an escape to dodge a single Q; unless its going to kill them, I don't know what to say)

Maybe people get better at dodging in plat and above (i'd definitely imagine so) but its really as simple as knowing where your Q's blade will land, waiting for the enemy to be there (preferably when they go to CS), then just using Q and keeping the blade on them until it goes off.

Both of his MS slows also practically assure hits.

SoupyNougat1 votes

most escapes are hardly a big deal they have short cds and low mana costs if you dont blow it to get away from a heavy darius q youre an idiot lol

LoLKiru1 votes

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most escapes are hardly a big deal they have short cds and low mana costs if you dont blow it to get away from a heavy darius q youre an idiot lol

Darius will just zone you from minions for a good 10+ seconds then (since going near them means you risk him just grabbing you, and without an escape to get away; you're probably going to die if he gets all 5 stacks on you).

Worse, you risk getting ganked if you do it at the wrong place or time.

I'm not saying you should never use an escape to dodge his Q (especially once he has T-Hydra if you arn't a tank; that Q will chunk you for half of your hp), just that its on such a low cooldown (5 seconds at level 9, 4 with black cleaver) ; that it probably isn't worth using an escape in lane to dodge it, you'd be better off just avoiding situations where he can hit you with it.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Its also not really even that hard to hit unless you're laning against someone with an escape (and if they blow an escape to dodge a single Q; unless its going to kill them, I don't know what to say)

Maybe people get better at dodging in plat and above (i'd definitely imagine so) but its really as simple as knowing where your Q's blade will land, waiting for the enemy to be there (preferably when they go to CS), then just using Q and keeping the blade on them until it goes off.

Both of his MS slows also practically assure hits.

main problem with his Q is he no longer has the ability to very quickly Q+R someone. you have to wait .75 seconds for it to land and more than likely its not going to do enough damage to begin with AND the enemy will have time to flash out in that .75 seconds. the delay gave him very unnecessary clunkiness to his kit when darius was all about killing people very quickly in both lore and in game. that is no longer the case.

WarlockLaw1 votes

While 2 seconds is an exaggeration I'd guess that if riot shaved the delay down to either 0.5 seconds or 0.4 seconds they wouldn't have to change anything else on him to make him viable

Lafouboy4 votes

Darius: "I can instagib you and dunk your entire team. I have late game damage + tankiness that is only rivaled by Nasus" OP: "RITO BUFF DARIUS! THE SLIGHT DELAY ON HIS Q IS TOO HARD TO HIT! COUNTERPLAY MAKES ME CRY!" Topkek m8. I r8 8/8.

Shonjl2 votes

ITs called bloodrage moron. It better have a long delay if 1 Q gives all 5 people max stacks of bleed for Ult spamming. Before you cry actually look at his whole kit before you whine.

If it had no delay, it would be easy to get max one 1 person, then on everyone, and even if you can't ult them all, the bleed itself hurts fairly well.

SoupyNougat1 votes

then take away his ability to hit everyone with 5 stacks with his q thats an easy fix because now hes just a slug who cant do any damage unless youre facing someone with as little mobility as yourself. garens q is fast enough for you to miss your q and you then have to attempt to aa 4 times to get blood rage and by then youre at 1/4 health and the increased dmg really isnt that significant imo not to mention the bleed itself really doesnt hurt much any real darius player knows were not stacking those for the bleed damage were doing it for the ult damage boost. id happily aa everyone to get my 5 stacks on them its not a big deal at all and instead increase the q cd to 20 seconds boom darius is now a viable champ to play top lane again

Y2RawYang1 votes

I'm dead before I can get 3 counters on (and that's AFTER using the full kit). Trading in lane is a joke now. Simple exchanges become unwinnable situation for Darius as he can no longer poke with Q AND has such a low attack speed, he may as well stand still.

Late game is cool, but if you're BLOWN AWAY early game, late game is a void point.

I truly truly tried to give him a few unbiased runs tonight, and it was laughable at best. I don't feel like I'm laning, I feel like a senior citizen in a wheelchair with a broom. Maybe i hit them with the bristles. Maybe I don't. But it doesn't matter when both hands are trying to move the chair. This is the worst nerf ever. Jugger-NOT.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

Honestly we don't need that 200 bonus ad at all we can take o ad with automatic full stack bleed is just fine as long as he get the old kit back, not the release kit just the kit from last weeks back. for that mater every darius main will even let go of the stupid nerd rage to get that speed( lmao Darius was slow as fuck to begin with) And riot says darius has been forgotten we wanted to buff his late team fights cos of his terrible gameplay. sound so friendly and hopeful. Then the fags showed their true plan, liars why cant u just tell us at the fucking start that what u al r really planning. double nerf on his bleed, double nerf on his q, double nerf on his w, and then that nerf on his e and r. Because darius has no mobility and every other champs can dash around the map or reposition every other second in a trade it take skill and foresight? And using darius e to grab that shyvana ult over wall by the tail, or that ez blink after that rape and that trist jump after a quadra doesn't take foresight at all. All darius players r noob ain't it? fuck u riot.....really, wasted 4 years on perfecting dunking technique....u guys listen to noobs cos ur all noobs. And fyi I don't give a crap about ur championship skins when my dunkmaster skin is soo laughable right now

Shonjl1 votes

Meh no, old Darius was no different than Rengar where if he grabbed you, you could instadie with no counterplay at all. And at least Rengar dies immediately after, Darius is tanky enough to survive and walk away scott free.

Don't even get me started on his broken hook that even if you dashed or flashed away would still grab you due to a bug.

I feel he deserves what he got.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

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Meh no, old Darius was no different than Rengar where if he grabbed you, you could instadie with no counterplay at all. And at least Rengar dies immediately after, Darius is tanky enough to survive and walk away scott free.

Don't even get me started on his broken hook that even if you dashed or flashed away would still grab you due to a bug.

I feel he deserves what he got.

U do realize the thing u just said about darius is cos u don't play him at all.U think he is a noob champ that doesn't take any skill eh? to use his hook through dash takes a lot of skill, forethought and planning, u wanna talk about tengar when he can use each ability 2 times without delay? or his invisible gap closing ult showing enemy positions? darius doesn't have that. he is 0 mobility dumb ass, he is the most kitable champ out there and no1 would trade with him unless they want to, which is why he brought those damage that was his mechanic.

Proxiimus2 votes

This OP is crying because Riot made you actually have to use your brain to predict counter play... "Riot, WTF do you mean I cant just hook and Q right away?" Riot I believe made the possibility of being able to counter play after you've been hooked. Well played Riot.. and for all you Darius players.. Stay salty my friends, QQ.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

Thanks for saying that to stay salty. So here's a bit of salt for you. How about you show us darius main players how good you can play him? or any1 for that matter? Don't show us normal or bronze or silvers. Seriously show us with proof that it can be done. And not just say "Riot, WTF do you mean I cant just hook and Q right away?" Cause you don't get to say that unless you are good with darius. Being good with Darius is quite hard in gold plus elo's but you don't know that , cause I can tell regarding Darius mechanics you are a noob. So show us some good Darius rank matches ok? Mained him for 4 years. And guess what? Dunking truly ain't easy. and played him atleast 1nce a day. So I know what I am talking about, but hey, u said it..... "Riot, WTF do you mean I cant just hook and Q right away?" and Well played Riot.. and for all you Darius players.. Stay salty my friends, QQ. So I don't mind waiting a year even if you take to prove your point, so by all means .....go on ....show us ur Darius skills or any1 else for that matter.

FYI......I can already tell just how butthurt u are from darius ownage. You are so butthurt that it still hurts and it feels too good now to see him in the ground now.....never agrre to us Darius players point and keep answering everything with sarcasms and better yet pose as a lecturer who doesn't main Darius.

Proxiimus1 votes

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Thanks for saying that to stay salty. So here's a bit of salt for you. How about you show us darius main players how good you can play him? or any1 for that matter? Don't show us normal or bronze or silvers. Seriously show us with proof that it can be done. And not just say "Riot, WTF do you mean I cant just hook and Q right away?" Cause you don't get to say that unless you are good with darius. Being good with Darius is quite hard in gold plus elo's but you don't know that , cause I can tell regarding Darius mechanics you are a noob. So show us some good Darius rank matches ok? Mained him for 4 years. And guess what? Dunking truly ain't easy. and played him atleast 1nce a day. So I know what I am talking about, but hey, u said it..... "Riot, WTF do you mean I cant just hook and Q right away?" and Well played Riot.. and for all you Darius players.. Stay salty my friends, QQ. So I don't mind waiting a year even if you take to prove your point, so by all means .....go on ....show us ur Darius skills or any1 else for that matter.

FYI......I can already tell just how butthurt u are from darius ownage. You are so butthurt that it still hurts and it feels too good now to see him in the ground now.....never agrre to us Darius players point and keep answering everything with sarcasms and better yet pose as a lecturer who doesn't main Darius.

I'm not butthurt from Darius ownage.. I'm just stating facts.. Darius is a brainless champion.. No skillshots, no technicality to his abilities. First, you land a pull, hit Q to add stacks.. keep auto attacking, and then hit your brainless ult which does true damage. I mean... Tell me how that takes any skill at all? Not to mention in teamfights.. you just sit there auto attacking and Q'ing.. Then all of a sudden just hit R on the whole opposing team thats really low.. How is that hard at being good at? You just CS, Tank up and get a Hydra, then boom.. Rinse and repeat.. How is that hard? and how in the hell does that need a buff?

N7Shurtugal1 votes

like I asked b4 prove it! u just made it sound so easy, can be said about a lot of other champs but just show us how good darius is now or b4? he is extremely risky (no escape,no mobility hence suck at team fight) hence he is not picked at high elo or lcs for that matter but his kit was darius kit he had just the damage to make up for it. u cant show me a good darius at high elo bcos no1 can.u can just argue. and speaking of true damage , a lot of champs does true damage , ahri, olaf, garen, fiora, chogath. and speaking of landing a pull and keep on auto attacing, it doesn't happen just like that u know.I won't say it's not easy cos then u will just laugh ur smug ass off. So do us darius main's a favour and show us ok? and I will shut the hell up!

N7Shurtugal1 votes

and also it's not just a delay it is a fucking channel with movement, cant aa or w or hook with q like we used to so the damage is too low with the nerf on q and w on top. I SAY AGAIN IT IS NOT JUST A FUCKING DELAY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB!

N7Shurtugal1 votes

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" I'm not butthurt from Darius ownage.. I'm just stating facts.. Darius is a brainless champion.. No skillshots, no technicality to his abilities. First, you land a pull, hit Q to add stacks.. keep auto attacking, and then hit your brainless ult which does true damage. I mean... Tell me how that takes any skill at all? Not to mention in teamfights.. you just sit there auto attacking and Q'ing.. Then all of a sudden just hit R on the whole opposing team thats really low.. How is that hard at being good at? You just CS, Tank up and get a Hydra, then boom.. Rinse and repeat.. How is that hard? and how in the hell does that need a buff?"

By the way its not even a delay its a fucking channel, which means he can't aa while charging or w or e or dunk for that matter. All he can do is move. And riot since ur heart bleeds for noob people a lot then this is what they still say.

  1. darius true damage is op, give him physical damage.
  2. he is nuke and a stomper he shouldn't have hook or any hard cc.( apparently no1 has this nuke or stomper in league if fed / veigar, orianna, riven, tryndamere, cho gath, Diana, akali, fizz, rengar, noc, etc no1 stomps harde than darius? ) 3.nerd rage is too op 200 ad is too op give him 20 ad. ( would prefer the patchnever existed really ) 4.why the fuck would any1 give sustain on a sustain less champ? he can just hug tower like nasus and tryndamere and get his health back in no time!(wow noob) 5.that w slow is too much make it less, oh I am sorry that as slow on w was broken but just the slow is still too much. 6.why would u increase the hook range why????? 7.cd refresh is op no matter what damage or circumstance it is....it is just game breaking op. wth rito! 8.Darius is noob lord,how ( every1 who doesn't play him and get themselves raped or their team raped thinks its op and noob. how can a guy with 0 mobility can kill every1? how? op ofcrse! wow )
  3. Thought u guys were nerfing darius! but when ever I go trade for a kill with darius he just melts me ! 1st blood even! I know darius is the guy if any1 goes up with him u get put 6 feet under, but u guys nerfed him! atleast do a proper job of it rito! he is on the ground now, not 6 feet under yet! take his nerd rage out and the health regen! ( wow ) 10.dont follow lore anymore pls that is not good for business. I mean the guys who made league , the guys who made darius and other champs, they r the 1 that brought this game where it is today, so the noob employees! pls shit on their memory now, think about how the game had changed, or either they didn't know what they were doing or u guys know a helluva lot better! hence all the buffs on ranged and kite champs, all the buffs to high mobility champs, and all the true damage to flashy champs!( good for business)
  4. Apparently riot doesn't know how hard it is to play darius, how hard it is not to get caught, how hard it is to have absolutely have no escape in lane or in GAME except summoners, apparently that doesn't take skills..... the best defence this darius had was his all ins, his mechanic his true designer designed him that way,hence he didn't had any cd to begin with! (but then came the endless whiners and nerfs) 12.Apparntly Darius is finally where he belongs in silver with my friend proxiimus, and still the above 10 points still wants to take him to bronze, wood and plastic level. A champion should be played at any level regardless of it's mechanical playstyle. IMHO Darius belongs in the bronze now .cos my silver noob friend can hand me my darius ass every single time I go play darius vs riven or rumble, not because I suck, it's cos darius can't beat them, not even if I wait it out and out play them. like I showed at the beginning ( a brainless champ!). apparently to position and time it perfectly when they dodge, where to side step cc or when and where to go in, and each time a darius goes in....he has no way for him to escape unless he wins.His hook was mechanical skill with a special purpose, it wasn't buggy, it was planned by the real designers that way, the book through recall to base is a bug, but hook through dash is not a bug, a blitz hook can grab a trist or lee mid jump, and it take real lcs , faker level skill and foresight to pull it off but not darius pull? ( flash and dash is just about the same thing, and it affected hugely on his unique defence if he cant get to grab those hooks by using faker level foresight or high elo whatever the fuck foresight and planning on a 0 mobility champion then how is he accomplishing anything?) U know when faker throws a spear on a far angle only to have some 1 flashing on it? u know lee q jumps to some 1 and enemies throws cc at lee in mid jump and lee dashes back to an ally all in mid jump dodging it? u know blitz grab thru shyvanas ult? or a tristana mid jump? well darius e is just like that or it used to be.... to use e on some1 like lee and then only to have him w or flash over the ward or wall and kick u back b4 he went. but hook him in the right time? and he was done. hook a trist she can knock u back and jump away or just jump away, but a darius need that reflex too u can't just use that e at any given time,He had it for all the lcs level plays! since he is Darius he had the shortest hook in lol history, part of his meachanic too, Have u ever hooked a tristana through knockback and jump? or through a shyvana ult? or through a thresh lantern? or a lee sin/jayce knock back? it took foresight and planning and timing and good jusgement, but apparently noobs don't know that, as well as their friends at riot doesn't know it either. BUT IT WASN'T A BUG MAN! that was his mechanic, that was his role,that was his Defence , that is how he was developed but now different new noob developers think no such theory or mechanic exist? them noob thinks its NOOB DARIUS HE IS OP!!!

Actually the true Darius was meant for high elo, he was meant for lcs..... the more nerf to his all ins the more weaker was his unique defence, the more risky for all ins, more lcs material, hence no1 picks him, cos he ain't that good.this league is a combination of mechanics, a shen support can ult u or a tf can ult u and a pantheon or noc can ult a darius and every single time ...that darius has no escape, that is why his mechanic was like this. cos apparently he has no mechanic, while the other team gangs up on him he doesn't have 1 way to escape he can just stand at the exact fucking spot and fight except his q. while he shows up in the team fight he cant dash forth and between to save or peel or engage or disengage, to stun or knockup or burst or cc or poke or assassin the other back rank and get the hell out.....HE HAS TO STAND AT 1 FUCKING SPOT AND FIGHT! apparently THAT doesn't take any skills at all to be there to go in and if not survived it quickly then it's a dead darius. Riot is a sliver/bronze fan.....maybe all their employees are too, hence they put Darius at their level bcos that is where he belongs now.

Y2RawYang1 votes

It's not so easy considering he has no escape whatsoever. Any champion with even 1 harass ability automatically has a 1 up on Darius early game, period. Early game is what decides who wins and who becomes a puddle of goo 9 times out of 10, and they've turned the Dunk Master into a Special Olympian.

Also, let that Dunk be interrupted (which is possible) and the entire focus of the kit has been nilled for the duration of the cooldown. With no Q to fall back on, he may as well not be in combat at all. What good is a melee tank that can't be in combat. Late game, hell, all game long, that Q is broken. Seriously, character destroyingly, broken.

I would trade the entire update, bloodrage, auto counters, all of it, for the old Darius back.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

SILVER NOOB, plays rumble and riven lol and that's why hates darius, every good rumble and riven player shits on darius and never feeds him! lets him shove his lane then gets a gank and kill or kite and get him low with poke and then kill.but ur not good at either of ur mains hence u think he is op and hence u lied about not being butt hurt. Riven doesn't even need to late him shove,she has faster trades and pots and no mana and damn those invisible autos. how about rito makes ur rumbles flame gets blocked by the first minion hit? how about rumble gets 0 mobility ? I mean he already has the range to kite?he has 2 ranges slows to boot! how about he gets some actual cd? like not be able to start flame right after 2 secs as soon as it goes off by using his ms buff shield or 2 rockets? how about he doesn't get a nerd rage either? and how about he gets mana for 1nce! And riven? pre nerf darius gets shit on by a diamond riven , not u cos ur a noob player, how about rivens invisible aa? how about riven's 2 sec cd if used 3rd q as long as it lasts? how is that fair? no mana, spam ur shit to come to lane at half the time with no boots. spam ur shit and farm jungle with taking no damage by using ur knockback and cc and shield without a fucking life steal item! get to lvl 18 b4 anyother champion in the game.how about riot nerfs that too? cos after all a rivens item build strategy is as retarded as this riot too. how about darius can just snow ball half as good as a riven does? fuck u silver fag

Paero1 votes

damn bro that losinng streak you are on sucks

SoupyNougat1 votes

ye man its painful

AkabaneKun1 votes

The Q is fine the problem with darius imo is the butchering on the W and the butchering on the AS, at lvl 18 he has 0.70 AS...the only way i found to stack fast is have titanic hydra and doing Q>E>AA>W>Hydra active since it counts and then AA or Q if they are running.

Y2RawYang1 votes

It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't completely destroy his attack speed as well. What good is a grab if I swing like a down syndrome cyclops, getting chopped up by the smaller, faster champ.

That Q was an invaluable piece to the combo, and they wrecked it. If you pull them in, they're inside the blade/handle circle, which not only leaves you vulnerable during the animation if they don't run away, you end up doing half the damage, and not getting a bleed counter. Then it takes you a minimum of 8 seconds to get your 5 counters (if you don't spam build AS). How many melee battles last 8 seconds? None. You're chopped up by faster high damage abilities or worse, high crit builds (like my Yi, with 400+AD at 95-100% crit).

Breaking Q broke Darius as a whole. He's my main champ. Now I don't even want to pick him up until he's back to the old. Just one opinion.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

same here, this just shows how riot employeesare such huge noobs cos no1 in their right mind who main's darius will agree to such a bs! Theydon't know how to play certain champs and decide he is op! and nerf the shit out of them.....taric, galio, hecarim's w. And then they c cool champ plays and buff them even more like ryze perma snare, elise undodgeable gap closer, not to meantion her sustain and attack speed, then there's fiora, who can just block any 2 things at a time, may it be ignite, cc, hit or abilities, then does true damage from certain angles which is too easy to chose by using her gap closer.

SoupyNougat1 votes

the only people who have any say in this post are those who main Darius!! you cant tell us anything about the game play because you get dunked constantly by good Darius players! dunking is an art form and it took a very long time to master and do well with him hes simply kassadin now and took all of his quick killing potential and took a dump on it. his lore describes him as a war monster someone who no one can take lightly when meeting him on the battle field but now.... they look at Darius and say "your a*s is mine you extremely slow son of a bit**" and blow us up before we can get even a slightly decent combo. there is no melee fight that lasts longer than our 8 second CD on q which is a staple of our entire champion! so if we miss that que we have literally 0% chance of winning any fight and any champion that has an escape can dodge that q and then pummel us because we have no escape of our own to reset and try again. i want my dunk master back not this half cocked JaVale McGee bafoon who couldnt dunk if you gave him a million ad

Calabok1 votes

Wow. Just ..wow.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

he's fine. ive played new darius and i played a bit of old darius, he's actually stronger if you arent bad at this game

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