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Autofill

Ojamaparty··4 votes·4,681 views

I have tried talking to two different people from player support regarding this topic, but they don't seem to understand what I am trying to say and just keep telling me to submit a discussion on the boards - so here I am.

I am currently a Diamond IV one-trick Miss Fortune and as I have been climbing through the different elos, I have noticed that getting off-roled has gradually gotten harder and harder - to the point where now I simply can't play off-role otherwise I am literally just inting my teammates and nearly guaranteeing a loss for us. My suggestion to Riot for a possible "fix" to Autofill (for us players who truly hate it and would rather wait a decade than to play a poor quality game off-roled) is to make an "opt-in" clause during role selection. A player could simply check a box stating that he/she wants to be Autofill protected and if so, then a pop-up would appear saying something like "I understand that selecting the 'Autofill protected' option could greatly increase queue times and wish to proceed" before the player would be able to start the queue. Of course, the player would be able to cancel the queue and uncheck the "Autofill protected" box if he/she no longer wishes to wait for longer periods of time in order to guarantee their role.

In response to this suggestion, I was given replies such as:

  1. "But this will lengthen queue times and not everyone wants to wait" | I really don't understand why this was even said to me in the first place - those players who don't mind being Autofilled don't have to check the aforementioned box, I'm not sure why this would even be a factor in the discussion.
  2. "But this will cause unbalanced matchmaking" | Really now? More unbalanced than, for example, a MF one-trick getting Autofilled top lane into a Riven main at Diamond elo? If so, I would love for a Rioter to tell me how adding an option for players who don't mind waiting would cause matchmaking to suddenly be unbalanced.
  3. "But then you won't be flexible and be able to play other roles" | I don't at all care about "being flexible" and being able to play other roles, furthermore, I have absolutely no interest in playing other roles, period. I enjoy playing League of Legends as a MF one-trick and that's pretty much it. I don't want to top, or mid, or jungle, or support. I want to bot and I want to play the champion I want to play - why should I be punished for that?
  4. "But what if most players are queuing for adc?" | Again, seriously? You're telling me that so many people are queuing for a specific role that I will be waiting hours for a game if I choose to be Autofill protected? I don't at all believe that. And if it is true, then I would love for a Rioter to show me the statistics on it.

I think I have pretty much covered everything. TL;DR - This is my thought process and possible solution for Autofill for players who truly hate it. If anyone can point out actual flaws in my proposition, I would love to hear them since I can't seem to think of a single scenario where this is a worse solution than our current system.

25 Comments

Saezio2 votes

Only way this would work is if you are ok waiting for all 10 players in your game to have the box ticked.

It's not fair you not having to ever fill but you take advantage of other people filling. So, sure, in theory you could wait for 10 people that are 2 of each role that all have "i don't want to be autofilled" enabled. But this would end up with queue times of over 2-3 hours imo. (especially since you would need 2 supports that both are willing to wait even though they are pretty much guaranteed their role anyway in normal Q)

Ojamaparty1 votes

There would be no reason for all 10 players to have the box ticked - everyone is in the same queue and those who don't mind playing different roles won't have it checked. It's basically only for the 10% of the time or whatever it is that people actually get Autofilled and don't wish to be - I imagine it would be a +5-10 minute extra wait at most and no extra wait for people who can play multiple roles well. Like I said before, I wish I could get hard stats on these things, but that's pretty impossible unless a Rioter is willing to share that information with us.

Saezio2 votes

If you are guaranteed not to be autofilled. And you are in the same queue as others that ARE able to be autofilled, you are lowering THEIR chances to get their role.

So, it's either you have to wait for 10 people that all have the box ticked, so you don't change other people's chances to get their roles, or you are going to have to autofill as well in some times.

  • you are not even asking to be one of your 2 roles, You are asking guaranteed bot.
Darkdemon6531 votes

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If you are guaranteed not to be autofilled. And you are in the same queue as others that ARE able to be autofilled, you are lowering THEIR chances to get their role.

The percentages and system governing autofill would remain the same as they are now.

Saezio2 votes

That is not possible when you allow players to have autofill disabled. The times will drastically go up because all the people that allow autofill will be those that are already in lower popularity roles, and all those that want popular roles will have autofill disabled.

Out of 20 games, how often do you see 0 autofilled people?

Also, OP doesn't just want autofill gone, OP wants guaranteed 1 role.

Ojamaparty1 votes

The point of the idea isn't to lower other people's chances but for the player who doesn't want to off-role to be guaranteed it via sacrificing their time. Other people's chances shouldn't be lowered if they don't have the box ticked because the people who do have it ticked are basically saying that they will eat the time penalty in order to secure their role. I am sure it could be implemented so that the matchmaking system can differentiate and not harm players who have Autofill enabled.

Saezio2 votes

You don't seem to understand that when YOU autofill, you save OTHER PEOPLE'S time not just YOUR OWN TIME. And when they autofill THEY SAVE YOUR TIME.

So, you might be willing to waste your own time, but you are also wasting OTHER PEOPLE'S time. So, you are harming them.

It's not just about YOUR OWN TIME.

When you are autofilled, you are saving time for 9 people that wouldn't get their game at that time if you were not eligible to autofill.

How exactly is YOUR system making up for that lost time to those 9 people?

Darkdemon6531 votes

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How exactly is YOUR system making up for that lost time to those 9 people?

By giving people who opt into autofill priority queues

Saezio3 votes

But how would that be faster than what they wait right now? Especially with all the matches that won't be created because of the people that can't be autofilled?

That's why I am telling you, you either make matches with 10/10 players with the option ticked, or matches with 0/10 players with it ticked. Because if you don't you simply fuck over the people that don't mind filling.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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But how would that be faster than what they wait right now? Especially with all the matches that won't be created because of the people that can't be autofilled?

That's why I am telling you, you either make matches with 10/10 players with the option ticked, or matches with 0/10 players with it ticked. Because if you don't you simply fuck over the people that don't mind filling.

The priority could be whatever Riot chooses. They could make queues take less time for those people than it does now, the same amount of time, or more time.

Saezio2 votes

You think riot are not atm trying to put you in a game asap?

They can't lower the time at will, unless they make the MMR for a match EVEN WIDER.

Saying "priority queue" means nothing. Priority queue would be what we have now, only it would be worse because of the people that will have autofill disabled.

Unless you are saying Riot are deliberately making people wait, which would be moronic for them to do in the first place. And would mean that's what they need to fix to make people get in a game faster.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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You think riot are not atm trying to put you in a game asap?

They can't lower the time at will, unless they make the MMR for a match EVEN WIDER.

Saying "priority queue" means nothing. Priority queue would be what we have now, only it would be worse because of the people that will have autofill disabled.

Unless you are saying Riot are deliberately making people wait, which would be moronic for them to do in the first place. And would mean that's what they need to fix to make people get in a game faster.

What we have now is everyone is given the same priority. If they were to make autofill optional, the people who have autofill on would be given a higher priority than the people who have it off.

Saezio2 votes

It seems like you don't quite get it. Let me make an example so you may understand where the core issue lies with your thinking. If someone is mid/adc as primary secondary and has autofill enabled, THEY WONT GET IN A GAME FASTER because matches usually wait for OTHER ROLES to start. And when they get in a game faster because they are filled in that game, it doesn't really count because their "priority" didn't give them anything they don't have right at this moment.

So, everyone in those roles will just use the autofill protection because their "priority" doesn't give them anything.

People that are support mains already get in games quite fast, so they have no reason to go for protection so by your logic they should be getting in game faster because they have "priority". Their queue though will be slower than what it is today because it will take longer to complete the other low popularity positions in the match because of all the people that don't have autofill on. So, again, priority will mean slower queues for that person too.

So, bottom line, everyone gets slower queues than in live atm.

Darkdemon6531 votes

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If someone is mid/adc as primary secondary and has autofill enabled, THEY WONT GET IN A GAME FASTER because matches usually wait for OTHER ROLES to start.

Autofill will still exist as well as people who choose those roles.

Saezio2 votes

Autofill will exist LESS THAN NOW.

And I don't see how you think MORE people will chose less popular roles with this change.

So, we are ending up with a net queue time increase for everyone. As I have been trying to explain to you so patiently.

But sure pal. If they make people able to disable autofill they can just give priority to the rest and everyone will be getting in games either faster(with the same % of auto fill to primary role) or be guaranteed their role. Because PRIORITY. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Darkdemon6531 votes

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Autofill will exist LESS THAN NOW.

It would exist at the same ratio for the people who have it enabled.

Saezio1 votes

Seriously?

You don't grasp how if people can turn off autofill it means autofill becomes less of a factor in making queues shorter than it is atm?

LESS PEOPLE FILLING MEANS LESS GAMES BEING CREATED BECAUSE SOMEONE WAS FILLED.

Ojamaparty1 votes

I think you are tunneling on factors that suit Autofill, which maybe you are right that everyone's queue time would go up by a small margin if this were to be put into place - but you also aren't looking at the time being saved in these areas:

  1. Less dodging since people will get their roles more often (this alone would make up the difference in queue time as I often get queues where dodge after dodge happens, greatly increasing queue times).
  2. Less champion selects being held hostage since people will be on their comfort roles more often.
  3. Higher quality games since everyone will actually be comfortable in the roles they're playing.

Also, the majority of queues in Gold and below are 1-2 minutes in length (where the majority of the playerbase resides) - would a 1 minute extra wait really be that much to ask for higher quality games?

The worst I think that could happen is it becomes harder and harder to implement this as the elo goes higher, since there are less and less players - maybe the protection would have to have a hard cutoff somewhere in high Diamond due to queue times getting too long for everyone involved, but I don't know the stats on it so I'm not sure.

Also, to your point about saving people's time - I really don't think people want to waste 20-30 minutes of their time in-game on a game where someone is egregiously worse than their lane opponent (and guess what? If I dodge the game in champ select because I know I will be inting my team by staying, then the queue length just went up a lot more for those 9 other players).

Saezio2 votes

I am not against making autofill trigger after more time. If it makes sense and a small increase in average queue time would result in a significantly lower % of people getting autofilled, then by all means, they should do it.

I just don't think it is that simple. Riot are not stupid (I hope) and if it was so easy to make matches better and their product more enjoyable they would have done it(again, assuming Riot are not idiots).

As for your 1. 2. 3. points. They all are the same point which can be summarised in "People that hate autofill will have it off and not create the issues they are creating right now" To which I respond, if ALL THOSE PEOPLE (dodgers/lobby terrorists/people uncomfortable in multiple roles) have autofill protection then EVERYONE ELSE has to either get into a game fast but they are filled much more frequently, or they have to wait the same as the other people because the members you are waiting for to start a match (low popularity role mains, that won't care about protection) are always gonna take the same time to be found.

Bottom line is, it doesn't matter if you baptise someone that has primary mid/adc PRIORITY QUEUE because that person IS NEVER THE ONE THAT IS MAKING THE QUEUE LONGER because of the sheer amount of other players that want to play that role.

Unker1392 votes

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The point of the idea isn't to lower other people's chances but for the player who doesn't want to off-role to be guaranteed it via sacrificing their time. Other people's chances shouldn't be lowered if they don't have the box ticked because the people who do have it ticked are basically saying that they will eat the time penalty in order to secure their role. I am sure it could be implemented so that the matchmaking system can differentiate and not harm players who have Autofill enabled.

It will increase everyone else's chances for being autofilled.

Let's say you play flex with 4 friends and none of you want to play support. The fair thing to do would be to rotate the support role. Every 5th game you have to play support.

Now you decide you never want to play support. The other 4 players now have to rotate and now they are playing every 4th game as support. Their chance to get "filled" goes from 20% to 25% while you never have to.

Every person that opts out of autofill increases the percentage of games that everyone else has to get autofilled.

Hentai Džinks2 votes

Autofill is rigged beyond a reasonable doubt. I preferred top/mid and got mid. The guy who got top preferred mid/top. The system takes two players with the same roles eg. Mid/ADC and ADC/Mid and intentionally, I repeat, INTENTIONALLY puts then in a less preferable role. [sg-miss-fortune] This game is getting shittier with every single touch Rioters make, it's sad to think this game had the potential for dozen more seasons... 10 years anniversary huh Riot? WRONG! That 10 is your tombstone...

Magnesium141 votes

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Autofill is rigged beyond a reasonable doubt. I preferred top/mid and got mid. The guy who got top preferred mid/top. The system takes two players with the same roles eg. Mid/ADC and ADC/Mid and intentionally, I repeat, INTENTIONALLY puts then in a less preferable role. [sg-miss-fortune] This game is getting shittier with every single touch Rioters make, it's sad to think this game had the potential for dozen more seasons... 10 years anniversary huh Riot? WRONG! That 10 is your tombstone...

I got autofilled ADC, when my mid got autofilled mid but he/she wanted adc, and then our jg was like I want mid, and then I realized i had jg as my secondary.

Riot is intentionally harming win rates

RITO GAMES = HIGH-QUALITY

Summoner SpeII1 votes

every single player would abuse this feature, and there would be absurd queue times. Unless u have some way of making it fair but not abusable

VanCanBanMan1 votes

Autofill is wack because sometimes i'm trying to duo with a friend and I get autofilled into his preferred role

Raype2Save1 votes

  1. If this matters or not is another subject, but yes- everyone's queues would be longer. Not only the autofill protected ones.

  2. That Diamond elo otp Riven will also get autofilled bot sometimes. Whereas if you dont ever get autofilled, you're gaining a clear advantage over people who are.

  3. Champion selects and queues are pretty straight forward. You should be able to play at least one more role, you can call that a fair award for people who do/ a fair punishment for those who dont. And the punishment is relative because you even have the possibilituy to dodge for almost no lp loss.

  4. It's only logical that if that happened more people would only play a specific role, yes.

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