Rakan Buff???

NoisyMachine·Dec 22, 2019·2 votes·985 views

Rakan is a support that can play moderately well but now that alot of champs are getting range buffs like Blitz and such and rakan has so little range on his Q which makes it so ineffective and makes it almost impossible to poke with him whereas other champions supports especially have such great poke and range with hooks or roots and rakans W doesnt have much range and the delay makes it stupidly easy to dodge or interrupt and i think inorder to be able to lane against other supports he will need some range buffs

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ParoeDec 22, 20192 votes

The biggest buff Rakan could ever get is making him melee and changing around his base stats to fit that.

His entire kit SCREAMS "im a tank!", i have no idea why riot gave him low range instead of melee.

CurS1VEDec 22, 20191 votes

because he has insane mobility..If he were a true tank and just a more mobile Alister well that would be really overpowered.

ParoeDec 22, 20192 votes

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because he has insane mobility..If he were a true tank and just a more mobile Alister well that would be really overpowered.

Uh... No. You do realize that he still plays up close and personal, right? All making him melee would do is allow him access to melee-only items, items a support rarely buys.

It'd mostly be a QoL change, no one really uses his range as any kind of advantage.

CurS1VEDec 22, 20191 votes

you have gotta be joking with this. You said "Make him a True Tank" That implies you would want buffs to his Base Armor/MR and HP as well as the Growth of each respectively...Him being melee I could give 2 shits about, him being a "True Tank" would be the dumbest shit ever and there is no other way of saying it.

So I can Go in, Build Tank (even if lets say I'm a worse or equal to Naut) W in..R..Chill and soak, then after eating whatever CC and soaking Dmg i just E away scott free and there's nothing you can do about it..

You are advocating 2 very different things just so I am clear..Him being melee is like not a big deal..Him being a tank is completely different, it would actually making him stupid OP and he would need ridiculous nerfs to his abilities to reflect his survival upgrades and I don't think you actually understand

There are reasons why Leona and Alistar only have 1 way trips and there's a reason why Rakan doesn't..When you give Rakan the same stats as Leona and Alistar in terms of Survival stats well now you have made that champ be able to do everything they do but with no down side or little counterplay..

Even looking at most traditional Tanks like Maokai, Sion, Nautilis..They have 1 way..1 way in only and once they are in they rely on their tank stats to survive whatever dmg they attract... (Rush a Stoneplate if you are really that desperate for tank stats, you can run that 1st item on Rakan then Zekes)

Why don't you just say you want to play OP shit only where you can do whatever you want and nobody can stop you..That is what you are really saying you want to do.

ParoeDec 22, 20192 votes

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Youre basing an argument on something you made up.

I literally never said true tank. Making Rakan a true tank would require changing his scalings to be HP/resistances over AP, which is an entire rework. All i said was the best buff you could give rakan is to make him melee and change his base stats to fit and that his kit screams "im a tank". Right now, his base stats are that of a ranged enchanter rather than a melee champion, despite the fact Rakans entire kit is about engaging on an enemy and keeping them CC'd for their team. Do you know what role of champion does that? A TANK.

You need to stop shoving words into peoples mouths and actually read. My first post is less than forty words, its not that hard to pay attention long enough to comprehend.

Also, you know what changing rakans base stats to fit being melee would entail? Increasing his base armor to 45 and increasing his health growth by five so he ends up at 2075 base health. His base stats are already comparable to his peers in leona and braum, except for the tradeoffs hes got from being ranged.

Moving on...

Even looking at most traditional Tanks like Maokai, Sion, Nautilis..They have 1 way..1 way in only and once they are in they rely on their tank stats to survive whatever dmg they attract...

What you view as a tank is twisted and warped. Leona and braum are tanks - Maokai, Sion, Poppy, Garen, Renekton, Darius, even morde are bruisers or juggernauts; not tanks. Period. End of story. Finito.

Chembaron YamadaDec 22, 20191 votes

Unlike a tank, Rakan is supposed to escape from the middle of the enemy team with his E again. A tank stays in the fight and keeps disrupting the enemy. They can engage, but not as easily escape again, unlike Rakan.

So no, his kit does not say tank. His kit says "I go in to disrupt them, then get out again, unlike a tank". He is supposed to build squishy, as his AP scalings point you to do, like you pointed out.

ParoeDec 22, 20191 votes

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Unlike a tank, Rakan is supposed to escape from the middle of the enemy team with his E again. A tank stays in the fight and keeps disrupting the enemy. They can engage, but not as easily escape again, unlike Rakan.

So no, his kit does not say tank. His kit says "I go in to disrupt them, then get out again, unlike a tank". He is supposed to build squishy, as his AP scalings point you to do, like you pointed out.

You know what, you have a point; His kit still screams tank, but his playstyle is similar to bruisers, Champions with high mobility. His is simply the normal support mobility; He functions within the battle and is SOL if there arent allies around.

Chembaron YamadaDec 22, 20192 votes

It wouldn't just give him access to melee-only items, but also make him more efficient with some other items and runes. item 3109 This item's passive is just 50% effective if you are ranged.

And Rakan actually never was supposed to build tank. He was Riot's first try to create a support champion with an assassin playstyle. Meaning that he was supposed to build squishy, rush into the enemy team to do his thing (in his case, instead of killing, his thing was supposed to CC the enemy and use his Q to get the healing for an ally) and then immediately escape again with his E.

A tank would be supposed to stay in the middle of the team and keep ccing them. That's also why Rakan gets fairly good AP ratios, to encourage him building enchanter items like: item 3504 item 3107

Also to note how even his passive shield scales with AP. If he would be supposed to build tank items, then his passive shield would scale with defensive stats like health. But it doesn't, because again he is supposed to build squishy. For a good reason. Rakan already has a great amount of safety in his kite with several dashes, shields, healing, movementspeed buff and hard CC. Escaping as Rakan really isn't hard and killing that guy when he builds full tank is even more frustrating.

His entire design actually screams that in your face. He is a battle dancer. Do you expect a charming dancer to be tanky? No, they are supposed to be elusive, but fragile. Exactly what they wanted Rakan to be. Building squishy, go in and do stuff, but escape before the enemy retaliates. Like a dancer, weaving in and out of fights. Not staying in and take the beating.

CurS1VEDec 22, 20191 votes

so basically i'm going to disagree. I'll start with the last part First which would be the stuff about his W; The thing with his W is that he can use his E right after so the thing is, often when you W in there are only a few champs that can consistently punish you and prevent you from E'ing out.

As for range and poke, this is a big no; see the problem is you are looking at him like he is some sort of enchanter and it appears from what you are saying that you want to be able to trade with him..This is wrong..Rakan is just Like Alistar/Leona in their philosophy except Rakan's trip isn't 1 way, These are all in Champs, they aren't trying to trade with anyone, they want to get their CC off and kill the other ppl, not poke poke poke then all in like a mage. If they make him more like an Enchanter well then he would be able to do too much when he already does a fair amount, so it would be a scenario where you just give him more tools and more ways to kill when his playstyle was suppose to be all-in but if you buff Q dmg or range (without nerfing anything else) now you are giving him the ability to also trade with poke poke poke and then all in without any way of stopping since he already poked you down, basically he just 1 v 2'd..

I think you maybe misplaying Rakan based on what you are saying which basically has nothing to do with his Kit or the other supports but more about you.

If Rakan needs anything I would say maybe a buff to his shield.

I would say what you seem to want is Zyra if I'm frank. You want to be able to control the engages but also want to be able to harass in lane.

Play Zyra and stop playing Rakan