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If you queue support, pick a support

BruceLeFrenchie··2 votes·1,218 views

I main support. It's what I seem to play the best, but it also seems to be the best way to avoid wasting time. You can look up my profile, I rarely deviate from the position, but I do enjoy playing something else from time to time for a change...which then just makes me not want to do anything BUT support for the indefinite future.

Playing anything else leaves that support queue slot open. Sometimes I'll get someone like me, who wants to play (or is willing) to play the role that they queued for. But all too often I'm stuck with a Brand that didn't want to wait for the Mid queue time and "supported" instead. Let's face it, when we play a match and end up with a Brand, Teemo or Ziggs support, we know how it will end.

No sightstone because they are building AP, Ignite vs non-healers, it is nothing aside from pointless. Some people can play 5+ matches a day so can waste a few doing this, but for others we only get 1-2 matches a day so having one spent like this really does suck (not in a "u mad" way but legitimate I would like to play a computer game for fun way).

Can we limit the heroes/champs eligible for certain queue slots at low elo levels? Yes at high/organised level this will not work since there is some level of counter-picking/swapping but at bronze/silver where I play it doesn't exist.

Please consider this.

16 Comments

Live2LetDie3 votes

Karma, brand, Annie, velkoz, xerath, etc.. Are all viable supports if played well. They should not limit what champs can be played in what role

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

If I do not see any of them getting Sightstone, then they're not. Just a bunch of guys who thinks the Support role is some kind of "Mid Lane Backup".

Sniper 02 votes

PSA blitz players are not real supports. They're pull bots... minirant

Fondling Gems3 votes

I challenge your "limited supports" with my 100% winrate sup ap vayne. This was a joke game with people who were fine with it fyi, I would never do this without a full teams permission. It was right after the updated fqc when everyone bought that item as sup, regardless of their normal good support item. So I decided to take it a step further and build it on all my "supports".

Hey, if it makes you feel better I do main support and I did build a sightstone after my frost queens hahaha.

Bobloser35551 votes

but why Vayne supp, she has low range?

Fondling Gems1 votes

The power of the random button compels you. My friends have a running joke with me that I can support as anything.

I remember when slows used to stack and I spammed sup ashe with a mallet>hurricane rush. So much speed reduction lol.

khorney2 votes

no one ques as supp...........................................

21028037DEL12 votes

I'll agree with you on the Ziggs and Teemo, but support Brand is a completely viable pick. In fact, support Brand can often not only carry games by himself, but end up having the most damage on the team. If your support Brand is successfully getting kills, roaming, and building AP, don't get angry. Just be thankful that he's putting his damage and abilities to good use. It's a very valid strategy; the same goes for support Annie, Zyra, Karma, and sometimes even Lux.

Just because a lot of support champions are made for the one role (Bard, Thresh, Alistar, Blitzcrank*, Soraka, Sona, Janna, etc.) does not mean AP supports are not allowed to build AP. Should they be warding as well? Yes, they should, and sometimes they don't (especially at low elo), but hey, that's the nature of the game sometimes.

Nekusen2 votes

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I'll agree with you on the Ziggs and Teemo, but support Brand is a completely viable pick.

what kind of utility does Brand bring as a support? heals? shields? tank? speed boosts? having 1 stun doesn't mean he is actually supporting

In fact, support Brand can often not only carry games by himself, but end up having the most damage on the team.

which means he is not actually supporting. there is a difference between supporting and going mid in bot lane because someone took the position before you. a support's role is to bring utility and vision to the team, not "do the most damage".

If your support Brand is successfully getting kills

Supports are not supposed to take the kills.

Zyra, Karma, and sometimes even Lux.

Those are actual supports that bring utility to the team as they give vision (seeds), shields, tons of CC, and can do well even while buying actual support items (sightstone, etc) which give low AP, as they, as support, need to give utility over raw damage. Unlike Annie and Brand.

Just because a lot of support champions are made for the one role (Bard, Thresh, Alistar, Blitzcrank*, Soraka, Sona, Janna, etc.)

Actually, Blitzcrank was designed as a top laner.

does not mean AP supports are not allowed to build AP.

it does if it means they are not actually supporting.

play whatever you want, just be aware that you are not fulfilling your role, you are just playing mid in the bot lane.

21028037DEL12 votes

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what kind of utility does Brand bring as a support? heals? shields? tank? speed boosts? having 1 stun doesn't mean he is actually supporting

Having a stun certainly can count as supporting, plus he has poke. Karma only has a shield and can sometimes land a snare. Zyra has a snare and poke. Annie has an instant stun and poke.

Also, Brand's stun is fairly reliable. The large hit box on his W and the point-and-click of his E means that all he has to do is line up a Q and it's a stun. Plus, it can be followed up by a ton of damage (both from Brand and his ADC).

which means he is not actually supporting. there is a difference between supporting and going mid in bot lane because someone took the position before you.

"Going mid in bot lane." Realistically, you can do whatever you want botlane. Vel'Koz support is pretty popular even at high ELOs and all he has is a short knock-up and a hard-to-hit slow. Your pick does not have to be defined by the meta. In order to fit the role of Support, you basically should be supporting your ADC in letting them farm and trying to give them kills. The goal is to let them do both of those safely, which Brand, Vel'Koz, Zyra, and other AP supports can let them do if played correctly.

a support's role is to bring utility and vision to the team, not "do the most damage".

A support's role is to help their ADC make it through laning phase safely, while roaming and providing vision when their ADC recalls/dies/shoves a wave after gaining lane dominance. They are not pigeon-holed into being solely utility. There's a reason that there are AP supports: they provide assistance in the form of damage and utility.

Supports are not supposed to take the kills.

This depends on multiple factors. Generally, if the ADC can take the kill safely (without risking death), then yes, the Support should give them the kill. However, if the ADC dies in the skirmish or if the Support believes that the low-health enemy is going to successfully escape (for example, ADC is too far out of the fight), then they are free to take the kill.

And, sometimes, the kill is taken accidentally. A Brand ultimate may accidentally steal a kill as it bounces between targets. However, that's no reason to be upset as an AD carry. Your team secured a kill, now go and get objectives. Be happy that your support can now provide more damage and melt the enemy team faster with your help.

Those are actual supports that bring utility to the team as they give vision (seeds), shields, tons of CC, and can do well even while buying actual support items (sightstone, etc) which give low AP, as they, as support, need to give utility over raw damage. Unlike Annie and Brand.

Supports do not have to give utility over raw damage. If they build a Sightstone and then go full AP, that's entirely fine. In fact, I main Support Bard and regularly build Sightstone --> Ionian Boots --> Locket -> Frost Queen's Claim --> Spirit Visage/Randuin's --> Mikael's/Frozen Heart/Warmogs. Most of those items are not utility, they are tankiness to survive long enough to use my abilities.

A Brand and Annie support do not need tankiness when they can provide massive damage, while still providing utility in lanes (stuns), a ton of poke, and can still buy a Sightstone as well.

Actually, Blitzcrank was designed as a top laner.

Yes, that's why I placed the asterisk next to his name. However, Riot intentionally nerfed his numbers once they realized how powerful he could be with that much utility and damage in a solo lane and pushed him into the Support role. Some people try to play Blitz in a solo lane, but at high levels of play his damage is too minimal in laning phase and his hook is easy to dodge by more experienced players.

it does if it means they are not actually supporting.

? You do know that people can build what they want, right? There's no definitive list that a Support must buy from. In my opinion, the only critical starting Support items are a Sightstone and the basic GP/5 item.

play whatever you want, just be aware that you are not fulfilling your role, you are just playing mid in the bot lane.

Oh, I know how to fulfill my role. I've made it to Diamond playing Support and, even though I do not play Brand, Annie, Zyra, or other AP mids, I can assure you that I have been burned more than once by an enemy Support Brand and the other APs as well. As long as they provide vision, zoning/utility (stuns, snares) and damage, they will always be good in that role. You just have to know how to play them as such.

Nekusen1 votes

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Having a stun certainly can count as supporting

supports need more than a stun to actually support, id say at least 3 support traits they need.

Karma only has a shield and can sometimes land a snare. she has: aoe slow shield (can be aoe) speed boost (can be aoe) snare

Zyra has a snare and poke. Annie has an instant stun and poke. she has: aoe snare aoe stun vision (with seeds) gank protection (with plants)

Also, Brand's stun is fairly reliable. no one is saying that brand is not op, just that he doesn't have enough utility to be a support.

"Going mid in bot lane." Realistically, you can do whatever you want botlane. Vel'Koz support is pretty popular even at high ELOs and all he has is a short knock-up and a hard-to-hit slow. Vel'Koz in bot lane doesn't mean Vel'Koz support, it means a team with a midlaner in bot and no support.

Your pick does not have to be defined by the meta. It doesn't, as i said, you can pick whatever you want, go Vayne support (as she has a reliable stun) go Kalista support (as she games vision, extra dmg to adc, poke, free save to him and a knockback), just know, you are leaving your team without a support.

In order to fit the role of Support, you basically should be supporting your ADC in letting them farm and trying to give them kills. Not only that, you should be supporting your whole team, you are not the ADCs support, you are the TEAMs support. And you said it in your other comment "Brand taking kills", as a support, you shouldn't be taking kills, thing champs like Brand and Annie are completely focused on doing, so with stun on cooldown, they would be useless as supports, so instead, you could take a support with CC and other utility.

This depends on multiple factors. Generally, if the ADC can take the kill safely (without risking death), then yes, the Support should give them the kill. However, if the ADC dies in the skirmish or if the Support believes that the low-health enemy is going to successfully escape (for example, ADC is too far out of the fight), then they are free to take the kill.

but thats not your job, your main focus is to provide utility to the team, your priority. Its like a tank building full damage just in case they have to 1v1, so sure, you will do more damage in an occasional 1v1, but leave your team without a tank.

And, sometimes, the kill is taken accidentally. A Brand ultimate may accidentally steal a kill as it bounces between targets. And thats why Brand isn't a support, because his main focus is to deal damage.

Supports do not have to give utility over raw damage. yes they do, thats the difference between supports and mid lanners.

If they build a Sightstone and then go full AP, that's entirely fine. In fact, I main Support Bard and regularly build Sightstone --> Ionian Boots --> Locket -> Frost Queen's Claim --> Spirit Visage/Randuin's --> Mikael's/Frozen Heart/Warmogs. Most of those items are not utility, they are tankiness to survive long enough to use my abilities. SS gives utility FQQ gives utility Randuins gives utility Mikaels gives utility Frozen Heart gives utility.

A Brand and Annie support do not need tankiness when they can provide massive damage, while still providing utility in lanes (stuns) 1 stun is not providing utility, and doing massive damage is the job of other roles.

Oh, I know how to fulfill my role. I've made it to Diamond playing Support one could get to challenger with Ahri-bot, that wouldn't mean that he is supporting

even though I do not play Brand, Annie, Zyra, or other AP mids, I can assure you that I have been burned more than once by an enemy Support Brand and the other APs as well. you were burned by a mid that went bot.

(stuns, snares) and damage, they will always be good in that role. You just have to know how to play them as such.

as a support, you would have to inherently provide 3 of these: heal shield stun slow tank speedboost inherit vision

So, a champion that gives 3 of these could build heavy AP because they would still be somewhat providing utility: you could go Lux support because she gives shields, roots, slows, in addition to whatever damage she might do. Same for Karma and the likes.

BeeCuz2 votes

The decision on what champion a summoner is going to use IS playing a game. Making that decision is for each player to do, and not someone else.

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Paroe2 votes

@OP

Your posts are... Silly. You claim to be a support main, but you seem to be employing the no true scotsman fallacy to excuse your dismissal and toxicity towards non-traditional supports.

You realize that you only need two things to BE a support, right?

  1. A sightstone
  2. Some kind of CC that works well with your ADC.

Also, traditional supports generally lack waveclear. Which is very important. like... super important. its one of the things that can make or break a game depending on if youre the only one around and need to clear a wave. So long as you have a sightstone and are warding, theres no reason not to call yourself a support. Kills are kills and go to whoever; theyre all good for the team and sharing kills is a VERY good thing because the more kills you get, the less gold you get. same with assists. splitting it up resets the gold amounts and more equally distributes the gold.

A lot of "Support mains" and "ADC mains" have this odd thought that supports dont need gold... fact of the matter is supports use gold the best because riots way of balancing them is to give them a massive reliance on scaling and low bases. And... to be perfectly honest, id rather have a fed brand support and a butthurt vayne afk farming top. chances are the brand will be more useful than the vayne who couldnt be bothered to last hit despite having what amounted to an open lane because the brand kept the enemy laners OUT of lane.

Nekusen1 votes

That's why i love playing blind pick.

BluePolarizer1 votes

I would play support but if I queue as jungle/support I am support only, so I'd rather take my chances top or mid once in a while rather than become support only.

Milodic Mellodi1 votes

The way I see it, just roll with it. Unless your support is Trundle, in which case all they're doing is literally TROLLING you. (I'm not kidding, their mission is nothing but that, even when playing Ranked).

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