Reminder: Zac has almost 56% winrate...

LordBrasca·5/21/2017, 2:28:16 PM·31 votes·2,444 views

...with playrate rising each day together with the banrate. He was fine before the rework, the only """outdated""" part of his kit was the Q.

Then for some reason you decided that you had to change more because of "tanks update" and now we have to deal with something that wasn't a problem in the first place, both in terms of winrate or playrate. He passed from garbage tier to god tier. He is basicly oneshotting people just by building full tank... considering his engage this is definitely something he shouldn't be able to do.

Please next time before touching things that are fine think it twice. Thank you.

68 Comments

BALDG1VEN BOOMER5/21/2017, 2:53:38 PM31 votes

He went from a laughing meme to nerf this shit Riot wtf.

Never satisfied community.

Shuyin1785/21/2017, 6:04:16 PM16 votes

The reason his winrate is so high is because people finally figured out his ult isn't crap.

SexyBabyJesusZ5/21/2017, 2:36:31 PM9 votes

i still dont understand why they reworked him

i mean, he was fine, and their reasoning behind it made no sense at all

Pandemic Punch5/21/2017, 4:37:42 PM5 votes

Just revert Zac.

AmazoX5/21/2017, 3:13:46 PM5 votes

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He is basicly oneshotting people just by building full tank... considering his engage this is definitely something he shouldn't be able to do.

That was pre-rework, The rework nerfed his damage & his knock up duration was nerfed.

Though I do agree he is OP Pick/Ban right now.

Karakot5/21/2017, 8:55:13 PM4 votes

I think they should have changed his w if anything they wanted to change, press w get damage just feels boring to play ya know?

Jar Jar binks l5/21/2017, 2:52:07 PM4 votes

instead of reworking volibear and mundo , they choose zac...

Starboyˇ5/21/2017, 3:54:25 PM3 votes

They never should've reworked zac he's going to be really hard to balance now and he was fine before

Randomonium5/21/2017, 2:59:55 PM2 votes

Recommend you actually look at more than one statistical site. Champion.gg has been notorious for posting inaccurate information with small sample sizes. Some of their "highest win rate" builds for champions include things like tier 2 runes.

Sp33d Zer05/21/2017, 8:56:10 PM2 votes

He already has nerfs planned on the PBE, calm down.

Vore Monster5/21/2017, 9:03:04 PM2 votes

The ratio buffs and HP scaling on Q turned AP off tank into a deadly build with Zac.

nGio5/21/2017, 10:18:25 PM2 votes

He's just under 55% win rate with 6% play rate, while Skarner, J4, Nunu, etc have similar play rate and win rates. Lee has a 55% pick/ban rate, so his win rate will be lower. The others I mentioned are primarily mains, which is why their pick rate is much lower, and win rate much higher.

Btw http://www.metasrc.com/all/5v5/current/tierlist?ranks=all is better than op.gg for stat checking.

Kaeblen5/21/2017, 10:37:53 PM2 votes

wait, wait, wait:

you mean the update WASN'T a huge nerf?

You Mean people are actually learning to USE his repositioning abilities? [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

TEA Nietzsche 5/22/2017, 7:35:27 AM2 votes

The problem is that he was already balanced after the hotfix. He was slowly climbing back to 50%, but Riot really needed to give him a HUGE buff in addition to being balanced.

But sure, I got downvoted for saying it back then:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/B1X25Zkj-hi-zac?comment=000a

Btw I love this comment:

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He just needs damage pumped back into his kit. The rework isn't what killed him, the fact that it was so horrifically undertuned numerically is.

^Riot designer spotted

RocketRelm5/22/2017, 12:49:45 AM1 votes

I've seen something in these buffs that's pretty key/vital when you think about it. It's really not just "oh people learned how to play Zac". His ult went from 1.0 to 1.1 charge, and his E went back to potentially 1.0 knockup.

Meaning that you're hitting a point where Dashes can no longer assuredly take you out of the R.

That's a very, very important breakpoint. Zac's R is always going to toe the line between "holy hell useless" and "nightmarishly OP". Riot just accidentally nudged it onto the other side of the line.

ModKnightsKemplar5/22/2017, 6:53:12 PM1 votes

Zac had health issues, and the fact that numbers changes turned him from unplayable to OP overnight pretty much proves that he's balance-able and they didn't hit the right numbers yet...

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think he isn't balance-able now?

ChaosThief5/22/2017, 12:25:51 AM1 votes

Remember when people said new zac was "too weak"?

Ahah... hah... time has been given.