Zileans Ultimate + Athene's Unholy Grail? Not functioning?

Jack The Mouse··2 votes·2,590 views

Howdy. I'm simply making this minor discussion to ask a question about the new mage items. Not that this is a massive deal or anything, but considering the new patch 6.9 and all the new items it introduced, as a bit of a weirdo Zilean Zilean main, I was pretty skeptical. As it turns out, item 3174 Athene's Unholy Grail is meant to be the new "Damage but also with a heal" kind of item meant for all the Taric Taric, Karma Karma, Thresh Thresh, Soraka Soraka, and Janna Janna's of the world. Regardless though, I thought it'd be interesting to buy it on Zilean like I always have. My early build as a support zilean main has always been a item 3070 Tear of the Goddess, item 3174 Athene's Unholy Grail, and item 3158 Boots of Lucidity, so I thought the change could only be helpuful. However, it seems like the new passive on the Grail doesn't function with Zil's ultimate. I was kinda hoping it would, as zilean is a very high damage poke support, and yet he has an ult in the form of an AP Scaling revive. Now, in the text of "Chronoshift", it says the ally "regains" so and so hitpoints upon being revived. I don't know if this wording nullifies my claim, but I still think a "Restore ally to 1 hp" and followed by "regain a certain amount of HP" should count as a heal. I feel like it would make it a very nice corner piece to zilean, as the CDR and AP is more then welcome, and making zileans ultimate even stronger when he's being this aggro support like he was built to be would be nice. Any clarity?summoner 13

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QjTHqo3RTq2 votes

Thresh with Unholy Grail, what in hell are you smoking dude

Jack The Mouse1 votes

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Thresh with Unholy Grail, what in hell are you smoking dude

Thresh has a shield, and the Athene's applies a heal upon shielding.

QjTHqo3RTq1 votes

I'm fully aware of how you could heal someone with Unholy Grail, but Thresh doesnt get any benefit out the rest of the stats

Jack The Mouse1 votes

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I'm fully aware of how you could heal someone with Unholy Grail, but Thresh doesnt get any benefit out the rest of the stats

I've no clue. You're the thresh main here, and I play Zilean. Regardless, no matter what champions I mentioned in that section, its not the focus of my post. Thank you for clarifying though. I wasn't sure. And still, even though its nothing I care or worry about, aside from Frozen Heart being a much better option for Mana and CDR as opposed to Athene's and the rest of the stats aren't exceptional on him with his already scaling AP.. Its not impossible to buy it on him, as he has some underwhelming use from all the stats. Frozen Heart just encompasses it all far better.

Karbuncle2 votes

Does grail work with targons?

LCS Pulse1 votes

Yes, it does. I know I'm late :D

Captain Aishi2 votes

zilean ult is not a heal, it's a current health increase (so that it can't be affected by grievous wounds in any possible way, like lulu, nasus and renekton ultimates)

Jack The Mouse1 votes

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zilean ult is not a heal, it's a current health increase (so that it can't be affected by grievous wounds in any possible way, like lulu, nasus and renekton ultimates)

I assume you're right. I'll take your word for it. Regardless, I'm not trying to claim that this is bugged or not working properly and am more pushing that I feel like the coding should be shifted and changed allow this interaction as I think it'd compliment his funky kit nicely. Zilean is a really fun support and giving some extra juice to his ultimate so long as he's doing high damage like he's meant to, I feel, would really improve him. However, I think your logic with how its coded is right. Thank you for the clarification.

Fondling Gems1 votes

do you know if this works on windspeakers too?

Jack The Mouse1 votes

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do you know if this works on windspeakers too?

I've actually never payed attention to see if that works. I'll test it out soon and get back to you.

Automatis1 votes

item 3174 is garbo now just build item 3165 like a real AP and get some actual use out of the scaling + a useful passive.

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