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Sett Discussion(ok lets get this over with.)

Ozuraios··21 votes·15,551 views

Well Setts been out all day, and well..Hes strong as all hell. Now..Is he broken? That's the question. Most people are going to say yes he is, and im sure you have already seen people posting the normal "Nice job Riot" "Rito stricks again." About him, but honestly after playing him all day..Hes not broke. I would say hes basically a slightly more mobile version of Darius(who Sett can't fight for shit.) He a juggernaut so he thrives on extended fights, but can't deal with champions of range, or high mobility champions..Basiclly anyone that darius struggles against Sett does as well Honestly even more since with darius is all about getting five stacks the dunking with Sett well the game plan for set seems to be start a fight and then take as much damage as possible while dealing as much as you can then baiting them to stay and think they can get the kill while you get max grit then get a big sheild and a huge burst of true damage on them to kill them...The problem with that is well...Only the middle does the true damage...So if your going agains a riven..Or a renekton, or anyone with a dash they can dodge the middle and then your screwed. Of course people are going to scream hes broken as they dont know how to abuse him yet, but yeah hes strong but suffers from the same downfalls as all juggernauts, and bruisers hes really strong early and can beat just about anyone, but as the game goes on hes gets more and more useless, but what do y'all think?

121 Comments

5050BS26 votes

He can be kited very easily and HAS to take damage to do damage.

Also people screaming about his True damage you know who does more the Sett?

Velkoz <== this guy

Ragnaveil16 votes

Not only him, but Vayne Fiora do it on a constant basis

funkdubious27 votes

Both of those should be nerfed as well... theres too much fucking true damage outside of ults. YI's E should be nerfed as well...

RyzeRework5 votes

Camille Olaf

funkdubious25 votes

Doesnt make it right. Velkoz should be nerfed as well. Theres too much armor/MR ignoring true damage in this game.

ChaddyFantome15 votes

Haven't played him or against him yet, but from what ive seen he seems like the most restrained new champ release since freaking Taliyah, which is a good thing. I dont think he is OP at all. he doesn't really do anything nuts and he doesn't have a bunch of extraneous mechanics tacked on as far as i can tell.. his spells do a thing and thats it. Just seems like a well balanced champion overall conceptually.

Hibeki1 votes

Id prefer if the True Damage on W was lowered in exchange for a longer movement speed buff on Q and a longer E forward hitbox

Ozuraios1 votes

Ehh that would defeat his meaning. HE IS MEANT To BE A TANK KILLER. Everything about him is a tank killer. His Q empowers his autos to do max health damage. His ult does not do a lot of damage To the person ulting but does massive damage to the people around the landing zone if the person he ults has a lot of bonus health...Tanks. And the W is to get though tank armor and resistances. Lowering the True damage would just make him sub par at the one thing he is built to do.

Hibeki3 votes

1k+ true damage is not tank killing its everybody killing

Xonra1 votes

Against melee he is a monster, but he has counter play, which is the big flashing key phrase of what keeps him from being op on release. You can play around him, he has windows to fight back, but you CANNOT just stand toe to toe and slug with him. If you can kite or cc him he just can't do anything to you without other factors (flash without the other person being able to also flash or jump away more etc, or getting help from someone else).

If he gets on you it can feel a bit like pre rework Skarner in a sense (but for very different reasons), cause getting away can be annoying and once he is on you he is a nuisance, but he has to stay on you and if he doesn't kill you fast enough he can be kited out by most champions. His cooldowns are also not as short as some equally annoying champions which can work in your favor as well.

He feels very balanced to me while being fun and isn't some perceived "difficult", he is straight forward. You know what he is gonna do and the person playing knows what they are gonna do. He is pure bruiser/fighter and he wants to punch you, and it's balanced.

The Whamboozler2 votes

When the way to "play around him" is to counterpick him with a ranged champ... I wouldn't really call that balanced man. The dude existing invalidates most other melee top laners.

Żügżwäng11 votes

I think Sett is an example of a successful champ release: fun and focused kit, well balanced. I've seen Sett destroy people, and seen Sett's feed and do absolutely nothing.

he's def not part of the perma pick/ban list

Ozuraios9 votes

yeah dont want to hate on riot to much but nice to see a champ that fits a role, and fits it well with his strenghts and weaknesses. Unlike When Akali was reworked and was the most toxic champion since old kassadin, or Aphelios , even Senna has his horrible design as she was meant to be a support but played more as a midlaner or just the adc.

Żügżwäng10 votes

I think Akali is interesting, she's just too sturdy for what she does. They need to make her a true glass cannon... or tone her damage down. She can't be that strong, with all the escapes/movement, and still have so much survivability.

I agree however with the latest 2 champ designs... Senna and Aphelios' designs were failures in my opinion.

Senna: I really like her ghost collecting mini-quest -- it's one of the things I like about thresh. Gathering for late game appeals to me a lot. Her W and E are interesting abilities. But her Q does way too much... heal+damage, pierces everything with no falloff, hits towers (???). And why does she have a global ult -- it doesn't even feel like it belongs on her. Her gun isnt that big. Aphelios... just too much. I get that they want a champ where you need to keep adapting your playstyle, but it ultimately fails when it boils down to the same thing as any other adc... dont let him sit back and attack, make sure you target him first. It's a shame they wasted chakrams on his kit. They could have created a champ just based on that idea alone. I don't hate them, but it felt like Riot was making every successive champ more "CRAZY", like some sort of "champ design power creep".

Ozuraios4 votes

Honestly to fix akali all they need to do is increase the CD on her Q, and make her use mana. The thing for Energy champions is they are suppose to have low CD abilities that are not as strong as mana abilities, but able to spam them more. Her Q does to much damage, gives her her passive, and heals her..Thats to much for A energy champions ability no other ability can be spammed as much as Akalis Q with no real draw back since energy regens fast so she can blow everything, and then 20 seconds later be full energy again. If you make her mana then the Akali has to watch her mana, and not just throw Qs blindly, you can not have a ability that can be spammed that much that does so much on a champion with infinite resorces.

forresto1 votes

honestly, I respect that riot wants to keep her original identity, but they need to remove the healing on her q. At least then you could have more interesting counterplay in lanes

Ragnaveil2 votes

. Her healing on Q has been removed for ages. If you're talking about her Q healing, its Gunblade you should be looking at.

Saezio4 votes

There is no healing on her Q. Since before MSI... LOL

Gunblade is just a bad item conceptually.

The champs that use it are useless without it, and too potent when they get it.

IP Masquerena3 votes

She no longer has healing on Q for a year now, BTW.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Making her more glass cannony doesnt matter if she's still invunrabe for upwards of 8 seconds all it does it make her impossible to lane versus mages for her to come back and kill those same mages and essentually say thanks for holding on to my gold in the form of a bounty and thanks for not running off with it cause you trapped in a game with me. Her Q doesnt do too much its just up too often. Her undodgeable auto empowered ranged auto is what does too much. which would be okay if she didnt get free movement speed from both Q and W to proc it and Her E didnt auto give it to her cause it Makes the circle from the champion is hit instead of where akali is when it hits like every other spell. Her E literally makes the passive function diffrently so that its easy to proc her passive.

Ragnaveil8 votes

I mean, he seems perfectly fine. His W late game might need a slight cooldown upping, but outside of that seems pretty fine.

WoonStruck7 votes

Darius doesn't struggle against anybody except like 3 champs.

Want the stats? They're right on u.gg

He scales relatively well for an early game bully too.

Ozuraios4 votes

Darius struggles against a lot of champs. He struggles against riven,renekton,Kennen,Jayce anyone that can do either quick trades and get out before he can start getting his stacks, or anyone that out ranges him and his pull.

WoonStruck9 votes

Not autowinning lane doesn't mean he struggles.

Look at the stats.

He struggles against Volibear (-.51), Pantheon (-.30), and Olaf (-.21). Those are the kill ratios at 15 minutes. That means Volibear has a kill over him every other match, pantheon every ~3 matches, and olaf every ~5 matches.

After that it drops off a cliff with Nocturne (-.06) in the next highest spot at one kill over him every ~20 matches.

You wanna go by gold at 15? Olaf and Nocturne are the only ones that can't be considered even (within 100g difference) or better.

Exp? Mostly related to pushing power and tendency to (not) roam. Olaf, Volibear, and Nocturne, possibly Renekton, are the only real arguments here because they beat him in other metrics as well.

4 isn't that much more than 3, and definitely isn't "a lot of champs".

If you honestly think he struggles against half the champs you mentioned, look at the match-up stats and realize you probably just don't play those match-ups correctly. If you aren't winning most of the ranged match-ups, you probably need to start taking ghost+flash.

Hell, even Quinn, bane of all melee without gapclosers, is an even lane, with Darius having MUCH higher kill potential.

Ozuraios1 votes

OK well since we are going by Op.gg Lets see you said Olaf. Darius has a 52 precent win rate against Olaf..Want to know what his win rate agains Kennen is? 45. Again Kled? 42. Ornn. 46. Riven..45. Jax.48, Yorick 42. He struggles against MANY CHAMPS.

WoonStruck3 votes

I'm going by u.gg.

OP.GG shows only korean meta, which is MUCH different from anything you or I will ever experience, thus is not relevant.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Sadly Thats what Darius Riven mains adc and mage mains base their champion on I auto win versus every champion but this one who gets away even though i still control the lane and can out Cs them i must be shit versus that champion and boards takes it like its logical.

SirHydro3 votes

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Darius struggles against a lot of champs. He struggles against riven,renekton,Kennen,Jayce anyone that can do either quick trades and get out before he can start getting his stacks, or anyone that out ranges him and his pull.

My personal experiences against Riven and Renekton result in me almost universally dominating the lane and match up, win or lose the game the only times I've lost to either were my own mistakes. Never have I felt bullied or outclassed by any Riven or Renekton player as Darius. I can dominate Jayce if I try hard and play well. Jayce can also just as easily farm safe and refuse to fight me and roam to pick up his kills and scale. And Kennen is just a thing....................

Enemy match ups people think should make Darius struggle are Darius players trying to play like usual and bully them. As immobile as Darius is, patience is the strongest tool for a Darius player to have, and no one expects Darius to come walking out of mid lane bush. Immobile or not you're gonna get a flash if not a kill (or double if any decent enemy jungler tries to stop you) Darius players trying to push their own advantages against match ups with the tools to avoid his aggression will get wrecked.

But now we're getting more into tactics and less about mechanics but .... yeah.

Xonra2 votes

I was thinking the same. Riven is no problem, just annoying literally only cause of her shield dash crap. The rest of her kit is annoying but not threatening to Darius. Renekton is a one-trick pony combo and if he doesn't burst Darius down (which I guess it depends on the build(s) and people playing?) Darius just out right wins. His combo is too predictable cause you kinda need to do it as Renekton to win against Darius especially and if you don't manage to get back out and decide to stay there and fight him, you won't win.

When I play Renekton and someone plays Darius I actually sigh because I know the other side of the matchup and know I'm probably gonna lose unless I manage to bully and make them think I'm gonna engage constantly, or got some early help. As Riven, well I don't play Riven so guess I can't speak to that.

Ozuraios2 votes

Ok but thats you, that does not change the fact that Darius win rate over all plays against these champs is low. Saying well just becasue I dont struggle in that match up means its not a match up the champ struggles in means nothing because hell talons not a champ meant to go top lane but some people play him does that mean the champions that are stronger then him and beat him all of a sudden don't matter because someone found a way to win some match against them? No the fact of the matter is darius struggles against these champions because they dont have to all in him you can say oh I know how the play the match up but your never going to play it perfectly everytime. For ever game Darius dominates a riven their are nearly 2 games he gets dominated in..Meaning he struggles

Saezio1 votes

LOL. Darius gets destroyed by any ranged top laner. + Illa + kled + urgot + jax + yoric. Riven is skill matchup. Niche things like rengar/singed/poppy beat him too.

Also, darius can't push tower plates because he has 0 mobility to escape a gank. So, jungler needs to shut him down too, if he doesn't it's junglers fault.

LordGeovanni2 votes

No shit melees get dumpstered by ranged tops. Are ranged tops supposed to be the go to for top lane though no but he dumpsters most everyone else that goes top lane at all parts of the game. if you getting beat by illaoi you not clearing her tentecles and if you getting beat by jax you dont know how to use ur pull. Yoricks entire power is his minions that darius can clear in 1 Q Darius can push tower plates you dont want to risk it and thats not a he cant do it problem thats a player i dont want to take that risk problem. which is easily countered by deep wards.

SirHydro2 votes

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No shit melees get dumpstered by ranged tops. Are ranged tops supposed to be the go to for top lane though no but he dumpsters most everyone else that goes top lane at all parts of the game. if you getting beat by illaoi you not clearing her tentecles and if you getting beat by jax you dont know how to use ur pull. Yoricks entire power is his minions that darius can clear in 1 Q Darius can push tower plates you dont want to risk it and thats not a he cant do it problem thats a player i dont want to take that risk problem. which is easily countered by deep wards.

In games I rush Tri Force as first item, I pick up 2 Daggers on first back (with Long Sword+Refillable start) Darius with 2 Daggers and his W peels off Tower Plates.

Karfuss6 votes

I'd argue he is certainly one of the more balanced releases of late. He, at least, wasn't released already in dire need of a rework.

Now, is he overtuned? Sure. But that can be fixed with a few nerfs here and there.

Xonra2 votes

I think he is tuned a lot better than a lot of champs so I don't see an issue with him. Especially when we have Aphelios and Mordekaiser derping around the rift (Well maybe not so much Aphelios given he is near permabanned)

ChaosReyn6 votes

Literally EVERY Sett I've seen today has been a freaking joke.

I started banning him to prevent my teammates from locking him, cause every time I saw him, he was like 0/6 by 10 minutes.

Ive seen a few streamers/youtubers play him, and he looks decent, dont get me wrong. But in the hands of the average Joe solo player...he's got a bad reputation for me right now.

WoonStruck2 votes

Might want to wait til he actually has a solid itemization core people can rely on.

GFREEMEN2 votes

thats because most dont know you need to stack up Grit before you press W.

I was vs a Sett that used it at the start of his engage every time. He would W run in E (no stun just slow) then Q double hit. He lost most all trades.

Give the numbers 3 weeks and we will see people wise up to his play style.

After that I wont be able to take on Jax and Tryn top 1v2 because they stood there face tanking me and I W with full grit and 3k HPs

The Whamboozler1 votes

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After that I wont be able to take on Jax and Tryn top 1v2 because they stood there face tanking me and I W with full grit and 3k HPs

You shouldn't be able to do that at all. If that's balanced now, then there IS no balance now.

LordGeovanni1 votes

You cant account peoples lack of knowledge for balance. If you did you'd only take stats from people with accounts level 5 and below for balance decisions. I dont think its the same with bronze II+ and silver ranked players you need a good amount of knowledge to get to that point as the game gets more and more stacked with arbitrary stuff.

The Whamboozler1 votes

Knowledge nothing. Jax and Trynd both have no other options but to go in, and they both have ways to punish you if you stand there and fight them. Trynd refuses to die and then crits you to death, Jax becomes immune to auto attacks and then stuns you for daring to fight him.

The example you gave is of how your champ easily 2v1's against two champs who are capable of nothing but going all-in and dueling or splitpushing. And AGAIN, if you can solo two duelists at once without issue.... your champion is an unbalanced mess. Or you're really, REALLY fed. Because again... those two are incapable of almost anything beyond that faceroll 1v1 you curb stomp them for trying. Jax has a little CC in his kit. Trynd has nothing but a slow. You have burst, sustained damage, a massive shield, three types of hard CC, a skill that repositions an enemy and mad health regen.

So I'll say it again... if you can actually do what you're saying and 2v1 against two duelists who are capable of next to nothing beyond dueling... your champion is overpowered. Or perhaps you're just really, REALLY fed. But since you didn't mention being fed as shit, I'm gonna have to assume otherwise... and that means your champ is brokenly good. End of story.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Or those 2 champions could not stand in true damage (knowledge) And just easily kill him because Tryndamere as you say refuses to die a Jax Ignores the most of the rest of Sett's damage then further ignores it with his ult as long as you arent stupid and dont stack them at the same time (knowledge) If you are playing 2 duelists at a sub par levels you can definitely lose to another duelist. and thats ignoring who was ahead. Only one talking about easily is you. and that both Jax and Trynda goes into melee doesnt matter for Sett's W other than they cant dodge it while engaging which was already touched upon with the sett who started every trade with W you should read again how that turned out.

The Whamboozler1 votes

Your bias is showing. He'll be nerfed... wait and see. And I'm done arguing with you about it.

LordGeovanni1 votes

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The Whamboozler2 votes

Ok there. I guess I'm wrong cause you said so then.

We'll see when the nerfs come in.

TheI3igDaddy5 votes

Who would've thought that releasing a champion with proper weaknesses & a basic lack of mobility would be good for the game?

'Fuck if I know. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Xonra1 votes

Yep it's nice to see a melee champ that doesn't suddenly have a dash on top of me ability, or some form of cc to yank me towards them (fuck you Morde), or a pull, or a speed boost (like Skarner and Garen).

He has windows he needs to fight in and he's good at that, and he has windows he just can't fight in and can be kited.

I worry about him when he is on top of me, but I don't immediately start groaning when I see him on my screen like I do with Morde right now.

The Whamboozler2 votes

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Yep it's nice to see a melee champ that doesn't suddenly have a dash on top of me ability, or some form of cc to yank me towards them (fuck you Morde), or a pull, or a speed boost (like Skarner and Garen).

He DOES have CC that yanks you towards him. Two of his abilities pull you out of position and THREE CC you. He's like morde with hard CC dude... and I'm sure you know how strong Morde is and how many people complain about him.

Dude is NOT balanced. Wait and see. He's gonna get nerfs the patch after riot has stopped making tons of money selling him and his skins.

QuZeed YT4 votes

Satisfying to play, satisfying to play against. No cancer included with him

KnightLakega4 votes

I don't think Sett is broken at all.. how do I know?

I've yet to see a Sett get fed... Even the ones who do seem to be "Balanced" and fightable... amazingly its the first champ I'm actually pleased with from Riot in the last 5 years that wasn't insanely over turned and busted compared to the rest that were out at the time.

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