49 Comments

Critmaster Garen4/8/2019, 12:05:00 PM36 votes

i agree with the sentiment, but i feel violated by this image.

Well Cause4/8/2019, 1:27:00 PM10 votes

Agreed. the fact that he can just come at you at any moment without a warning and kill you because you didn't hug your tower is annoying, same for evelynn

CNV Nightstar4/8/2019, 7:39:38 PM7 votes

As a diamond ADC who's been top 1 twitch on NA op.gg before I can tell you right now that twitch jungle is god awful against anyone who thinks ahead. Twitch jungle is only successful when drafted into a proper team comp and not counter picked. Twitch jungle is also only successful with enemy players who play farther up than they should be. People don't recognize the obvious sign of an invisible ganked, shaco is much more devastating of a ganker and his invis cannot be seen even if hes point blank. Play twitch jg for a couple of games and realize that he is horrible in the jungle because he EASILY gets counter picked, EASILY invaded, EASILY killed, HARD early clears, all you have to do is play safe and counter jungle him/ wait at his buff/ play around teammates. I recognize that many people find him frustrating buts its just because they dont think about how to properly play against him.

Just start treating a twitch jg like an actual jungler and expect ganks, just about any other high ganking jungler is more oppressive. Udyr, vi, jax, HECARIM, evelynn, nunu, rammus, j4, etc. Also ward farther up than you usually do, twitch players go invis way before they could get seen by typical wards so ward farther down and youre almost always guranteed to see him. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=NightstarReaper

Meteora7074/8/2019, 6:04:47 PM5 votes

twitch jungle (without funnel) is only good against lazy players, saying it has no counterplay is pretty challenged.

The Ecdysiast4/8/2019, 2:19:32 PM5 votes

Yeah, this should definitely be the case. Especially considering the fact he has far more range than Pyke and doesn't have to reveal himself to get said range like Pyke does.

Raiyza4/8/2019, 6:16:27 PM3 votes

That picture is misleading.

Inkling Commando4/8/2019, 12:52:16 PM3 votes

considering twitch ain't a jg champ to begin with i dont see a need to give a warning signal for him.

iFEARdilemma4/8/2019, 4:19:49 PM3 votes

Its a bad idea and i would disagree even harder by saying they should remove the warning on pykes ability, and they also should remove the visual indicator of kaynes shadow form wall walking.

All of those "warning" mechanics, are just casualising the game, making it more newbie or bad player friendly, and overal causing a less competetive and skilled environment.

If people die to those things, if people die to twitch beeing invisible, then they do die because they do not have enough understanding of the game and not enough map awareness, and no sense or gut feeling for such things. So they must improve, rather than nerfing the mechanics they fail to do well against.

I know this sounds hard. But theses days warding and getting vision is so easy, the same goes for checking where the twitch jungle starts, warding his clearing path or getting some deepwards.

There are so many indicators which tell you that someone is approching, its allready enough. You can ward / deepward. You can use your jungle experience and the actual meta knowledge to keep track of where twitch and kayne etc, start to clear the jungle, and use the respawn timers and vision u have to estimate which paths twitch will possibly take next or where he will gank next. All of those player have movement patterns which can be fairly predictable. You can read your opponent laners movement. Hes often telling you a lot about where his jungler is at the very moment and if hes approaching you or not, a laners are giving you warning signals for upcoming ganks just because they cant keep their pokerface in lane. And many more small things...

If you can not read those things, it means you must improve as a player. You are not good enough yet. Or you are just unlucky, or the opponent did play / path / prepare the gank, really well, (which obv. should pay off)

And even if you get ganked or are beeing caught. You should be able to escape. If thats not possible it means you were off position. You played in a way that enables them to gank and catch you easily, otherwise you could escape.

If not, this comes once again back to the argument that you need to imrpove yourself as a player.

All of this comes down to a point where u can be HAPPY about a twitch approaching you, because you KNOW hes coming and you can take advantage of that by just turning the tables and get a kill on him with the right kind of behaviour. And even if you do not manage to go so far, escaping is enough allready, since you wasted and soaked the opponents team jungler or attention of 2-3 players and delay their xp / gold gain, their farm routes and giving other players of your team and especially your jungler, if he didnt counter gank ( which he should do if hes good ) more time and space to achieve something elsewhere.

Yara04/8/2019, 9:40:48 PM2 votes

Shaco Should have this TBH if there is gonna be no way to ward for him.

AnotherFeeder4/8/2019, 11:07:11 PM2 votes

Twitch jg has very good ganks, and can be super annoying if he gets ahead. But there are reasons he is one of the lowest win rate played junglers, you cannot nerf him or he will simply not be viable as jungle or ADC.

He relies heavily on his ganks working early as his farming is shit. Most enemy junglers can just sit in his jungle counter jungling, and his dueling abilities are to weak to do anything about it. His dmg is actually awful before items, the only way his ganks work is for enemy players to forget he exists and play aggro. Even when ahead he cannot face check objectives and is just a walking sack of gold that will die to any ambush.

Playing a jungler who can only play reactively is extremely niche and definitely not OP. Even the best on him usually duo Q to make him work.

Jinzo Torrance4/9/2019, 4:00:41 AM1 votes

Downvoted for furry

Need Gold 4 Tent4/9/2019, 4:05:33 AM1 votes

fucking furries

Rhyleman4/9/2019, 1:58:09 PM1 votes

Anyone who upvotes this post has never in their life bought a pinkward