Why can't i get out of bronze?

LVCyberRabbit·Jun 23, 2019·2 votes·2,030 views

I'm a kayn jungle main and I would say I'm pretty decent. According to the website League of Graphs I'm in the top 14% of all kayn players in the world and top 17% in America, so I don't think I'm performing poorly, but I'm always getting these garbage teams, most of the time its my bot lane or top, and rarely mid, and I'm not neglecting ganking any of my lanes and would say I'm pretty good at getting my objectives. I would really like some ideas as to why I can't get out of bronze, as well as some tips. I'm open to criticism. Thanks! :)

17 Comments

BigBellBruteJun 23, 20193 votes

Why can't you get out of bronze? The simple and truthful answer is Because you should be in bronze. Me saying anything else would be blowing smoke up your rump.

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

That may be the case but i mean im also in the top 14% of all kayn players in the world so i feel like i should be higher :/

Kai GuyJun 23, 20194 votes

important thing to note, Stat generation is related to opposition.

I can win 100% of any fist fights vs like a 2 year old child. I would get my butt whooped the second I step into a professional boxing ring. Who you play is important context for how well you play.

Also if you want to climb then what matters most is winning games not necessary stats. generating good stats and KDA can be pretty easy but winning consistently takes more effort.

If I run around a park punching every toddler I see in the face and 1 hit knocking them out Its not really a good indicator that I am MMA material.

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

I agree, but I also have a pretty consistent win rate. Last night I won like 12 draft matches in a row with Kayn then I played to rank and got horrible teams and couldn’t win

Kai GuyJun 23, 20191 votes

Annnnnd im back in my old habit of making giant walls of text again ahahahaha. dam.. I was doing better.

Tell you what. Lets start with the TLDR.

TLDR I checked your OP.GG. Your probably going to be fine if you just keep grinding. Just keep at it. You already hit old silver probably and its just a few more weeks of slogging thru the games that are just noise until you see that reflected on your account if you keep 55%.

Details for why I made this statement as well as my understanding on why your still in bronze. You can skip it if the TLDR is enough.

Why This seasons gonna be rougher. You ended last year with b4 MMR, the new tiers redistributed Range expectations.

So, I use the term Titles for Rank and division. Because saying hey, im A Gold 2 player is a title just the same way that Masters class is a title. Last year, the lowest available title was bronze 5. This season its Iron 4.

There's 2 common views on what a title means and how its made in league. Some players think its population built, that riot wants X % of players to be given X title. Personaly I dislike that system because it has to impact individual LP gains and it makes the entire system unrelated to MMR. Its also heavily impacted by RNG issues like # of active and total players.

The other one is that a title is a set static value for an MMR range. if your 1201-1250 for example lets call that silver 3. s4 is below that and S2 is above that, rinse repeat. Theres an issue for some folks about the top and bottom but its easily solved by simply using a Soft cap on how the system treats players with extreme outlier MMRs and it has no impact on the rest of the ladder.

So, back on topic. New tiers this year. Well here is the thing. b5 to challenger is 27 possible Titles you can have. Iron 4 to Challenger with the removal of Division 5.... Is also 27 Titles. 5+5+5+5+5+1+1 = 4+4+4+4+4+4+1+1+1

Regardless of if you believe its population or static ranges... you have to admit the logical conclusion is there is going to be overlap. Iron is not Worse then bronze of last year.

So you being bronze last year likely set you up to be playing games in Iron MMR, but given the fact it takes an entire division of MMR to drop down and the fact (not actually a fact thou. this is my opinion.) riots trying to be sneaky and shift player perceptions with out impacting their systems functionality... Well correct me if I am wrong but my guess is you started bronze and remained bronze this entire season right?

Unless you had some MASSIVE loss streak at the start of the season I expect you to have been steadily gaining MMR given the total wins to losses. K factor calculations for an elo adjustment change the weight of individual games in relation to # of games so there is some importance on the order they come in but overall id say net gains thou im being lasy and not looking over your entire history to check the order they came in at.

So my guess, Your MMR was put into iron and riot gave you a Title that's wrong because they know titles mean absolutely nothing until there's enough games to support its accuracy. You have grinded this year, from Iron to new bronze, and now are climbing in new bronze to hit new silver. If the titles remained the same, I expect you would be already IN silver if this was last season.

I know this makes it sound a bit shady on riots end but sadly this kind of shit has to happen because players and people suck and perception has direct impact to game quality. If folks don't play competitively you have to trick them into doing it or remove them from the que. Making the guys who just gave up at the bottom of the ladder get terrified of sinking into Iron and start trying to improve and win actually makes the game better because it reduces the # of idiot teammates who just gave up on trying, and it still will allow for newbie accounts who are just bad at the game to sink naturally like every other year.

Personally… I m a fan of just being blunt but I don't have the $ issues to have to care about that requires me to care about maintaining high player populations. I'm not big on anything that's just for player perception. I don't give a shit about it if they have the wrong perception if I was a dev... so I probably would not be a good dev. "your wrong that's not what the hell we do. where the hell did you come up with this awful idea?" and "If your calling me a fucking liar then just quit the game you idiot. Look if your right then why support me and if your wrong and why should I care? End of the day only one of the two of us are Guessing, the other built the systems used and knows how it runs."

I don't think that goes over well with players, they like to be treated like a valued customer and there's that stupid phrase people think of..._ the customer is always right._ Any one whos worked retail or any customer service job can tell you that's utter Bs but what ever.

If you made it to the end of this. GJ mate, best of luck to you on the rift.

AlienPrimateJun 23, 20193 votes

One glaring problem is that I buy more control wards every game than you have bought in your past 30 games combined. That is terrible as a jungler because you should always have a control ward in dragon pit when you are doing it unless the enemies are dead and it is free. You should be getting a control ward every time you go back and have 75 gold left after getting the items you want.

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

Your right I need to be better at ward, thank you for bring this to my attention :)

SuchSwagSuchweedJun 23, 20192 votes

Looking at your games you do decent or you just do awful on Kayn. And your build path is bad too, seriously go warrior first as your first item best item you can buy. Also you don't need dark harvest, conquerer is just better in terms of dueling. Also another problem I see is the fact you play Kayn, I don't think she's a shitty jungler and he's awful to play, I'm just saying hard carrying on a champion like him is going to be really hard. Yeah sure you can get fed and probably win the game, but if the enemy team knows what they're doing and how to counter you, then you're kind of fucked. If you really want to get out of bronze, pick who's broken now, Hec reksai j4 etc. Also do not rely on your team, at all. Only thing you need them for is for pushing or objective taking. Don't rely on them to show up if you invade or you get caught, because they're not going to show up most of the time.

Kai GuyJun 23, 20192 votes

One correction imo. Rely on your team to be meat shields. Don't make a play assuming some one in bronze will do exactly what you need. Let then be bait or just 1 more target to attract aggro. Thinking i am a god! Then rushing into 1v2 / 1v3 is often times the very reason some players are bronze in the first place.

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

I agree thank you for the advice :)

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

I run dark harvest when i go shadow and i do conquer when i go rhhast, however i should be less reliant on my team and less risky, however it still seems that I do better with kayn more often than i do worst, i have a 63% wr with him last i check, so i feel like im fairly consistent and i may say i probably better than decent considering im in the top 14% of kayn players. I appreciate the advice tho. :)

Daddy AntsJun 23, 20192 votes

Drop Kayn and pick up MasterYi

LVCyberRabbitJun 23, 20191 votes

Ya I actually use to be pretty good with yi, I’m m6 with him rn however I tried picking him up again i little while back and I would just do awful with him

Soul DealerJun 23, 20191 votes

It’s because riot says league is a team game but makes it so one person can lose you the game and one person can not win you the game. You have little to no impact on the game if your doing well but if you troll or int you have the most impact on the game.

Nik NikersonJun 23, 20195 votes

You really need to stop spouting off platitudes that you read on the boards. For every person that gets crushed in lane and loses, it means someone else crushed their lane and won. I've had plenty of games where a single carry gets fed and just snowballs the game. They are most certainly winning the game for their team.

FOR JUSTICEJun 23, 20193 votes

and yet, for every game youre fed someone on the enemy team fed.

so how come they can carry their feeders, but you cant carry yours?

FioraWillCarryJun 23, 20191 votes

Consistency. You can't go 10-3 one game and go 1-5 the next 3 and expect to get out of Bronze. Be consistent. Stop doing dumb Bronze noob shit and feeding like your team mates and aim to be better than them. Now you can't win every game and you can't not go 1-5 once in a while but you need to do "good player" shit in most of your games. Bronze is not hard to climb out of all. Now Silver, that's a whole different ball game.