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Rito at it again (ranked rant)

GlitchScatter··3 votes·1,692 views

So I finally clawed my way out of provisionals and lo and behold 5/10 games won = bronze 5 and 3/10 = silver 5? My fiance and I played the same games, for the most part, save for two which I won where he lost the two that he played... HOW THE HELL IS THIS BALANCED?! Who the hell came up with this ranking system and what type of meds do you need to fix your brain? I have been playing league for a long time, and never have I felt more insulted than to be dragged back into bronze 5 after busting my ass trying to get out of it. I understand that you can pick up the slack for others, but when you have an afk every single match and no one can get along because of toxic players who just stop trying or feed because they got butthurt. It is not fair to anyone in the community who is trying their best only to be sent flying back into the pits of bronze hell. I have spoken with many people who share the same view and had the same thing happen to them. I have to spend weeks, even months trying to get out of this place and the toxicity has not changed one single bit, even with these new rules, people still go afk, they still leave, they still disconnect, they're still immature children so what exactly has been fixed with this? All the effort I put into learning, practicing, even reading up on how to best counter someone is for nothing it seems. The pure lack of care is stifling and rather unfair to anyone who isn't a raging buffoon who actually TRIES in ranked. My questions are: What exactly has been accomplished by punishing players who have bad connection? Why are good players punished because of other people's attitudes? Why is the fault of an individual still harming the team? Is there any future plans to better the community without punishing the decent people and finally getting rid of the trolls?

23 Comments

Shino Amakusa2 votes

6-4 here and bronze 5 :(

Basically what they did is separated so called pro Platinum+ players from the rest even more ... chances of getting out of Bronze are pretty much ZERO as I spent months last season bouncing between bronze 5 and 1 before giving ranked a big middle finger in the ass ... tried this season and it is even worse ... so gg .. riot ... after almost 5 years playing this game I am closer than ever in closing the game forever ... do the HARD MMR RESET FFS

GlitchScatter1 votes

It makes me think that maybe I should have just afk'd for those 10 matches, less work and less disappointment come the results.

LiveYiOrDieHard2 votes

You have a whole season to get where you belong, placements aren't important at all.

GlitchScatter2 votes

That's just it, I climbed the ladder and every so often it gets to a point where I lose so consistently I get kicked down 2-3 ranks due to trolling on a level of team moral in the negative margins, afk, smurfs taking advantage of less skilled players, feeding, poor choices that screw everyone over (even myself making these choices once in a while). There is no teamwork and chances are so high in bronze for these things to happen that it almost seems impossible unless I spend months learning how to carry a team 1v5. I'm not the best player in the world, by all means I think I'm rather bad but not to the point that I have zero skills. I can be crafty and downright brutal in some games but it seems that those efforts are pointless when no one wants to work with me or belittles me for the simplest of mistakes (or others). I don't want to mute everyone since that doesn't promote teamwork. I want to talk to my team, help with strategy but it takes that one twit to emerge to screw everything up and bring people to a point where they don't even want to try anymore.

Eternal Zen1 votes

I have experienced this too where I loose 10-20 games in a row and drop 3 ranks, its a killer. What's weird is sure this doesn't happen often, but it does seem like it happens much more than it should statistically speaking. I don't know, I don't want to be superstitious but it is a very odd experience and hard to believe when it happens to you. By the same token I go on winning streaks too but usually only 6-10 games or so. I got to Gold V last season but to do it I had to hard carry every. single. fing. game. It was incredibly painful. I did this by only playing rammus and I went from Silver V to Gold V in a week or so once I figured out my strategy. I won about 30/40 games during that time maybe more because I only played rammus and I won the game, not my team I won those stupid games. Now that rammus isn't viable anymore I have to figure something new out.

Edit: I wanted to respond to your mute topic. I would also note that most games I /mute all instantly. Learn your pings. The vast majority of your intentions and desires for your team can be communicated via ping. Sure, there are some things that require conversation but my argument is that having conversation with your team is generally more harmful than helpful. The bad outweighs the good in this instance. People are incredibly misguided when it comes to verbal communication on what they think helps their team. Questions like "Why did you do that" are NOT helpful. The reason why is because it encourages the player to stop playing the game and take the time to type out an explanation for their actions. This is a waste of time, and is likely to result in a lost tower or someone dying because now 1-2 players are out of the game. It is unlikely that anyone can learn quickly enough to compensate for those very REAL in game losses. Even if there is no objective loss, position loss for objectives matters just as much. In general, if you have to type something more than few words and if you have to type more than once to communicate something, you are wasting your time. That is my opinion but it helps me greatly to win games. In any case you're far more likely to get into an argument with someone or rage at someone or get raged at putting you on tilt than you are to communicate something effectively via type. The ping system is very effective and non personal. People pay attention to pings and respond quickly, use them. I highly recommend /mute all.

GlitchScatter2 votes

I'v started muting everyone so it seems that it helps me relax and concentrate a hell of a lot better than worrying about what they're saying to me or about me. I've managed to keep myself on a win streak, finally climbed out of bronze 5 so I guess here's to hoping the rest of the ranks melt away as easily as b5 did.

Wullf1 votes

as I see it. You have exceptional opportunity to learn to carry your games. but that means to play NoobCleaving champs like Yi, Trynde, Veigar, Rengar and many many others.

This is your chance to "dont give a fuck" you have nowhere to fall. Try things.

Though if you are looking for reasonable game where things make sense, you wont find it. YOU have to put sense in these games.

Good luck

GlitchScatter1 votes

I suppose that's true, but again what applies in bronze 5 won't do well against more skilled players. You really don't learn anything more from it as I wouldn't be challenged by it, I couldn't understand how to better myself by making oddball plays that work on people who don't have the experience as others. People get carried as well, it seems pointless to be honest. :c

Shino Amakusa1 votes

Unless you have hours and hours to spend in games and hope to Baron that your team at least knows what buttons mean then you have slight chance to get maybe into silver .... from experience there is hardly any difference in players bronze to like gold ... played with horrible gold players and with amazing bronze ppl who are stuck as i am in elo hell ... even platinum doesnt mean you are better than good bronze skill .... soft resets dont help also as ppl who lucky to get to like gold or plat seasons ago will stay there even losing 10 placements ... and bronze ppl have no way to improve or even start to play as a team and not just chickens running around

GlitchScatter1 votes

Fair enough. I've seen gold once... seemed slightly more organized but I suppose I wasn't in there long enough to enjoy the carried bronzies.

Shino Amakusa1 votes

Golds care about objectives slightly more than say bronzies, but skillwise I have seen some bronzies outskill golds and plats easy ...

Even if I went 10/10 in placements it still would have been bronze ...

GlitchScatter1 votes

Which brings me to my gripe, how unfair the placements are and the ranking system itself. Personally, if they individualized the system to a point where how you played was taken into consideration as opposed to just your entire team losing/winning, I would be more inclined to find that fair.

Raptamei1 votes

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Which brings me to my gripe, how unfair the placements are and the ranking system itself. Personally, if they individualized the system to a point where how you played was taken into consideration as opposed to just your entire team losing/winning, I would be more inclined to find that fair.

Give me a way to measure personal skill that is not in any way affected by your team carrying you or sucking.

I do agree that the game needs individual scoring, but it will never work in a traditional MOBA. Wait for the next generation with a ruleset that isn't based on a Warcraft mod.

GlitchScatter1 votes

There are plenty of ways to offer such a thing in moba. You can have a skill test, you can offer personal scores but I digress, you make a valid point and I really don't see LoL changing anything anytime soon.

Raptamei1 votes

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There are plenty of ways to offer such a thing in moba. You can have a skill test, you can offer personal scores but I digress, you make a valid point and I really don't see LoL changing anything anytime soon.

Skill test is separate from the game.

Personal scores are always influenced by your team feeding the enemy.

Wullf1 votes

that is true. Still you can learn somthing from it.

I actually think that in bronze you will learn champs mechanically better. In higher tiers (unless in high diamond and higher) you do not need to be so mechanically good with your champ as you depend more on others and on yor decision making.

So in my opinion in bronze you can learn champs better. And anyway you can learn good farming even in bronze. And that is one of the most important skills to know.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

If you ended the previous season in bronze V you got placed lower than bronze 5 (negative mmr) if you were in last season and lost games at 0lp bronze V your mmr was so bad that not even winning ten games would help you escape

GlitchScatter1 votes

I ended the season in bronze 1 because I was demoted down due to inactivity before they took the demotions out for it (to my understanding) I was in silver 4 before I quite playing for an extended period of time, so really I was screwed from the getgo.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

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I ended the season in bronze 1 because I was demoted down due to inactivity before they took the demotions out for it (to my understanding) I was in silver 4 before I quite playing for an extended period of time, so really I was screwed from the getgo.

just got bronze four with 5wins 5 losses, thanks rito shouldve just afked bronze V bronze four? no fucking difference

Caezium1 votes

I was Gold V and got placed Gold IV.

I kind of wanted to get a bit lower than gold to experience the climb.

Shino Amakusa1 votes

I wonder why if the ladder system is heavily based on Starcraft one (tiers and such) they would separate each tier further into 5 sub-tiers?

Back in Season 1, bronze was around 800 elo/mmr and pro players were around 1800+ and everyone started season at 1200 and had chance to go up or down. With the system right now bronze stays around 800 and highest tier is around 3000+ and the mmr is not reset at the start of season which makes climb from bronze to any decent tier similar to solo climb of the tallest mountain peak on Earth without any equipment

Arkna1 votes

Placements, provisionals, and promos all have serious drawbacks when used to represent individual skill in a team game. They serve as artificial gates to a players advancement, placing a higher emphasis on those matches than others. On it's own, that's not a bad thing. Increasing the stakes to increase user investment is a tried and true technique across every single medium of entertainment.

The problem comes from the fact that your individual rating isn't exclusively in your control. If the system were solely about average play over a number of games, the impact of the elements OUTSIDE of your control are significantly lessened. MMR was significantly better as a gauge of player skill than the League system, and Riot is fully aware of this. It's why, internally, they still use MMR for matchmaking.

Why switch the system at all then? Player perceptions. A player who is Gold 2 with 1800 MMR is better than someone who is Gold 1 with 1700 MMR, and both are better than the Platinum V player with 1675 MMR, but the League system doesn't represent this. It uses the "carrot on a stick" concept, dangling rewards in front of the first two players for no other reason to keep them playing. Why? It's called Ego Depletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_depletion If you mentally exhaust yourself grinding ranks, you're less likely to have the self control left to not spend 10 bucks when they drop a new skin.

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