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about vladimir and the new ap/ad item changes abit qq :)

DiabloX··1 votes·1,111 views

hi first of all sorry for my english its not the best. so i wanted to talk about the new meta and the new changes to masteries and the price of ap items and the effect of the ad items early game. i main vladimir for around 5 years i have been d1 with him and i have to say this is the worst spot i have seen this champ in early game i have ever seen. as a champion that counts as a top laner and such low range on his abilities and cant do ANY all in with ANY melle champions aka darius,jax,riven,irelia,illani or basicly any "all in" i found this champ to not be able to survive lane phase vs almost any champ without a jungler. any of the champions i mentioned above vladimir cant farm nor trade with them once they get that early hexdrinker. now if my jungle isnt responding or doing any ganks i just cant do anything to force my top lane to go b or anything untill lvl 9 i am zoned and there is 0% chance to win the lane. any of the above at lvl 6 just destroy vladimir and i have really nothing to do to changed that. i tried all the masteries and i tried every build in the book. just wont work vlad is way too weak early atm i never think he is that weak at early like anybody mentioned befor but in this new patch i start to feel it and feel it hard. atm i find myself in a position i just cant play the champion because i know i am going to lose my lane no matter what. now lets talk about the ap and ad item changes. i see no reason why you increase the price of the ap items by so so much and gave all the ad items buffs/added new ad items while you did nothing to the ap. yeah you gave the ap items a little buff but since the increase of ap item cost i feel like ap champs cant do much versus any fighter/tank/melle champions that stack mr because there is not enough gold to buy enough ap/magic pent to kill them. anyways i think there should be some change to the overall ap items because atm it just feels like all the ad/tank/melle champs are just stronger than any ap and i really think magic resist effects too much. yes we get more mr from items but since ad champs can still aa and do somthing as ap champ after you cast your abilities you have nothing to do. so thats what i think about the new meta. i think there should be 1. nerf hexdrinker early game. 2. give vlad any item that can counter thos all in in any way because atm he is just useless ageinst thos "all in" ad champs. 3. tune the price on ap items. so i just wanted to share this and i hope somone will listen. the reason i opened this thread is because i really feel hopeless in lane with vlad vs any melle champ that buy hexdrinker/mr and because i feel like overall ad champs atm are just better than ap in any way you can even look at the ban charts every banned champ is melle/tank. anyways if vladimir was bad befor thos changes at early game. now he is completly useless i am sorry.

11 Comments

Dirty Roleplayer1 votes

Yes he is weak. But for a good reason. He is in need for a rework. I don't think Riot will ever balance Vlad by nerfing items or making new items. And Riot is afraid to buff Vlad himself because of his kit.

If I were to buff Vlad right now, I would give him more movement speed in pool and base movement speed.

DiabloX2 votes

i agree with what you say. but i still think you cant leave this champ like he is atm. i really really feel like i have nothing to do vs any close gap ad champs till lvl 9 like really 0 things to do no matter what you buy or what masteries/runes you pick ;/ and trust me i am a very very exprienced vlad player i never qq about him untill now

Poske1 votes

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i agree with what you say. but i still think you cant leave this champ like he is atm. i really really feel like i have nothing to do vs any close gap ad champs till lvl 9 like really 0 things to do no matter what you buy or what masteries/runes you pick ;/ and trust me i am a very very exprienced vlad player i never qq about him untill now

Well superscalling mage His weakness is like pre 7

If you cant avoid fighting till level 7 then wtf man?

  1. If you dont buy penetration then yes hexdrinker ll destroy you
  2. Get vlad runes ... Focus on cdr and magic pen

I really dont understand how is he any worse then last season

Yes Riven counters vlad Irelia counters anything ranged I dont understand how darius is a problem for you Well you should beat jax in long battles and short trades Illani seems weak honestly

DiabloX1 votes

well as a main vlad player i was used to be able to make trades with all thos brusiers. i could actually kill most of them at lvl 4-5 or had the chance to atleast. now not only i cant i just get almost one shotted befor i use e q by most of them. i dunno exactly what changed it might be the amount ap you start with atm or tbh when you look at the masteries they are just better for bruisers than any tanky/assasian apc thats what i think anyways. and trust me even if you buy penetration and focus on cdr and magic pen your still too squishy to handle the damage in close gap untill lvl 9. i dunno at what elo you playing but when a player knows how vlad works its just immposible atm to counter that ;/ AT EARLY again. at lvl 9 it changes but 0-2 at lvl 9 brings them to snowball alrdy. and btw darius is a problem again because hexdrinker, if its a "skilled" darius he will just pull you when he have hexdrinker and you have nothing to do about it, yes you can try to trade with him but if you stop for one sec your probly dead;/

WoonStruck1 votes

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Well superscalling mage His weakness is like pre 7

If you cant avoid fighting till level 7 then wtf man?

  1. If you dont buy penetration then yes hexdrinker ll destroy you
  2. Get vlad runes ... Focus on cdr and magic pen

I really dont understand how is he any worse then last season

Yes Riven counters vlad Irelia counters anything ranged I dont understand how darius is a problem for you Well you should beat jax in long battles and short trades Illani seems weak honestly

Uhh, Riven doesn't counter Vlad. Riven can kill Vlad if he over-extends, but its also very easy to harass her and farm under tower. Both of you get full farm, at which point you're more useful after you have a revolver. The only 'counter' she has is freezing, where you and a jungler can easily kill her, especially if you use Vlad's golden rules for summoners. Exhaust for AD opponents, ghost if easy lane, ignite only if vs super easy lane you can carry off of, TP only if you're inexperienced in the matchup or cannot sustain the harass/waveclear at all early ( like a good Azir or Viktor mid).

Poske1 votes

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Uhh, Riven doesn't counter Vlad. Riven can kill Vlad if he over-extends, but its also very easy to harass her and farm under tower. Both of you get full farm, at which point you're more useful after you have a revolver. The only 'counter' she has is freezing, where you and a jungler can easily kill her, especially if you use Vlad's golden rules for summoners. Exhaust for AD opponents, ghost if easy lane, ignite only if vs super easy lane you can carry off of, TP only if you're inexperienced in the matchup or cannot sustain the harass/waveclear at all early ( like a good Azir or Viktor mid).

OH well if you use exhaust then yes ... it could be problematic for riven

But honestly riven has same weak spot as vladimir (First few levels .. i learnt this the hard way ) Vladimir is on of the few champions she can consistently beat at early levels and thats mainly because vladimir is weak early because of his cooldowns

But yeah its smart of you that you use exhaust vs her. I imagine it can fk her up hard

Dont think vlad scales better then her though But vladimir fits pretty much any team while riven can be worthless against some teams

WoonStruck1 votes

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OH well if you use exhaust then yes ... it could be problematic for riven

But honestly riven has same weak spot as vladimir (First few levels .. i learnt this the hard way ) Vladimir is on of the few champions she can consistently beat at early levels and thats mainly because vladimir is weak early because of his cooldowns

But yeah its smart of you that you use exhaust vs her. I imagine it can fk her up hard

Dont think vlad scales better then her though But vladimir fits pretty much any team while riven can be worthless against some teams

Actually, the secret is after she uses a charge or two of Q (or even random E/stun because she's bad), she can't close the gap to you if you're full Q range. Your Q is instant, so she's likely to dash towards you or away the moment you move up to use it. You bait it, she can't close distance after its down, and you get free harass for 8 seconds.

I don't need to use exhaust against Riven, its to prevent any early game cheese and is also the final nail in the coffin vs her laning patterns. Same goes for any strong early game champ vs Vlad.

Vlad is a champ that is un-counterable if played properly. He's incredibly safe if you read your opponent and are cautious. The only way to really shut him down in those cases is a dive with your jungler.

Btw, Vlad does scale better than her. You're probably just used to seeing a snowballed Riven. She's laughably bad if she's not ahead.

Just be sure to bait her into aoeing the wave at level 1/2 so she can't all-in at lvl 3. You'll probably lose a decent amount of farm before level 4 if you don't, since you'll be required to go QWQ to lane safely, rather than Q E Q to farm under tower/harass effectively.

Dirty Roleplayer1 votes

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i agree with what you say. but i still think you cant leave this champ like he is atm. i really really feel like i have nothing to do vs any close gap ad champs till lvl 9 like really 0 things to do no matter what you buy or what masteries/runes you pick ;/ and trust me i am a very very exprienced vlad player i never qq about him untill now

Riot is known for taking their sweet time reworking something. Nothing we can do apparently. I agree that he is terrible right now though. Just have to wait like always.

WoonStruck1 votes

I still carry or at the very least remain relevant with Vlad pretty consistently. Tbh, he does really well mid atm. Better than top, imo.

DiabloX1 votes

no offense mate but your on gold.... in gold everyone can carry with any champ. dont take it personal

GigaPube1 votes

yeah fuck hexdrinker. that needs to be more expensive or at least 5-10 less MR. a sion-level rework would be pretty good. better than nerfing/buffing to make him OP or useless before his games start

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