TSM STOP WITH AP EZ!

CBrizzie·Jul 11, 2015·4 votes·1,700 views

Anyone else feel like TSM needs to give up the AP Runeglave Ez? I mean come on, they lost last week with it against GV. In their defense GV did build the team comp around countering the pick. But this week, they lose to T8! A game T8 should not have won. Please stop with the AP Ez, it just isn't working! Competitive teams know how to play against it, and it starts out too slow and has no real early game pressure. TSM was not able to contest 1 dragon against T8. T8 was also able to get 2 BARONS! Next to TDK, T8 has the worst record in NA LCS. If you can't win with the AP Ez against them, it is just not gonna work. The shock factor is over, please move on!!

19 Comments

TurquoiseYoshiJul 11, 20153 votes

TSM did lose most high-level picks. T8 had Kalista, Maokai, Thresh, and Azir. Also, Bjergsen went 4/1/0. Nobody else on TSM had fewer or equal deaths. You also said T8 had the 2nd worst record in NA after TDK. That just isn't true. They were tied for seventh before the week started, and are now in control of seventh.

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

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TSM did lose most high-level picks. T8 had Kalista, Maokai, Thresh, and Azir. Also, Bjergsen went 4/1/0. Nobody else on TSM had fewer or equal deaths. You also said T8 had the 2nd worst record in NA after TDK. That just isn't true. They were tied for seventh before the week started, and are now in control of seventh.

TurquoiseYoshi, you know what a hyperbole is? It is an extreme exaggeration. Either way, I forgot C9 was even still in the LCS with how poorly they are performing this split. My point is, AP Ez is a hard comp to work with. Yea he puts out a lot of damage but everyone knows about it now. If they are gonna try to take that AP Ez crap to World's then I hope someone like Gravity or Team Liquid take the spot and not TSM.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 12, 20152 votes

1: Thanks for using my name :) 2: This post seemed angry, but not extremely exaggerated. 3: You also forgot Enemy Esports. 4: Yes, AP Ezreal is tough to work with. But is that really the base of TSM's problems? They gave up too many big picks in Champ Select, picked Dyrus and LustBoy into champs I don't think they have practiced as very much, and are messing around with two different ADCs mid-split. Honestly, Bjergsen going 4/1/0 in a loss isn't the most of TSM's worries.

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

Yea angry, and the whole post wasn't extremely exaggerated. The comment about T8 being the bottom two was. My point is that T8 is not doing well, so it was a loss that should not have happened. I completely agree that they picked some different champs for their laners that they may not be comfortable on, but that was because they are forcing AP Ez to work. This is the second week in a row where they keep trying different comps hoping for a better outcome. They gave up those picks because you can only ban 3 champs and the ones that got through did not fall in line with their team comp of "lock down the back line".

TurquoiseYoshiJul 12, 20151 votes

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Next to TDK, T8 has the worst record in NA LCS.

You sound more like you're stating a fact rather than being exaggerated. Don't list TDK if you want this to be exaggerated.

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

Interpret it how you like.

GForce9xJul 12, 20152 votes

I was waiting for TSM to pick up Azir. When T8 did on their last picks, I was really really worried that TSM was going to pick up Ez, especially since Bjergsen had smite already up. T8 already had hard engage with Maokai, and I think Azir vs. Ez is a matchup that's so much in Azir's favor. They both have potent poke, but Azir has excellent zoning and brings a lot more AOE to teamfights. All Ez really brings to teamfights in that regards is his ult, and it seems like most of the time, they were burning his ult during the 'waiting game' to try and chunk down some health to prep for an expected teamfight. Most of those ults whiffed or didn't nail priority targets, and was therefore wasted and down during most of the teamfights.

I like the plan they had with the Naut/Vi/Shen combo to lockdown a carry, but it seemed like they were never able to completely execute it, much of it due to their initiation being disrupted by the Gragas and Azir ults. And even with all of that hard engage into the backline, TSMs carries really didn't have a way to penetrate into it without putting themselves in a risky position. Just like last week's loss against Gravity, I feel that this is a game that they lost during the pick phase. Only this time they weren't exactly counterpicked by T8, they countered themselves into T8's comp.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 12, 20152 votes

The thing is, Bjergsen did well today. The pick/ban phase kinda screwed over TSM in the beginning. Giving Kalista, Maokai, Thresh, Gragas, and Azir away for Shen, Vi, Nautilus, Jinx, and Ezreal is just bad. Team 8 did amazing today, and deserve praise. TSM didn't do amazing today, and that shouldn't automatically be due to one pick.

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

The thing is, it is a team game. Even if Bjergsen did well, one champ can't win a game, unless its solo que. T8 did do well. TSM did horrible. It wasn't just one pick. Where do you keep getting this "one pick" concept from? They built their comp around AP Ez. That is FIVE picks.

TurquoiseYoshiJul 12, 20151 votes

I feel like TSM more picked their comp around the Naut/Vi/Shen carry lockdown thing. That literally never worked as it was intended.

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

Well if their comp was for the Naut/Vi/Shen lockdown, why would they pick AP Ez in to such a bad matchup? TSM's drafting has not been up to par the past few weeks, all I know!

anonymous119Jul 12, 20151 votes

Azir counters hard engage and ezreal doesn't work well with hard engage. I've hated tsm's draft phase for almost this entire split. I think it's a huge factor in their mediocrity.

PoisonedTeaJul 12, 20151 votes

They won when Keith played with them on it. I know it was TDK but still a win. They just lost to T8, T8 TSM should not be losing to T8.

Izzy331Jul 12, 20151 votes

inb4 Dyrus face check comments

TeslynJul 12, 20151 votes

is this a stop ap ez .. or is this a TSM fan boy sad his team lost?

CBrizzieJul 12, 20151 votes

Stop AP Ez. The only example I have of current AP Ez games are all of TSM. It was tried a few other times with little success but others learned to move on. TSM is still stuck on it and it makes me frustrated as a TSM fan. It was bad enough with the performance they had at MSI, I would not like to see a repeat of that at worlds.

TeslynJul 12, 20152 votes

i want them to play better because i want to see NA actually win worlds this year.. but TSM is either trying new things out.. or stuck in a rut.. have you ever played in a normal game and pushed as hard as you can with a champ just to see what you can get away with.. it will actually teach you the limitations of a champion.. then you start scaling back.. but if fnc is always winning .. will they be crushed on their first defeat after their win streak.. maybe they are actually trying things.. .. but i am also a person who is rooting for left over players .. (gravity) - i think its their back story why i want them to succeed.. and i miss C9.. maybe next year world for them.

Gaxx DJul 12, 20151 votes

Then I suggest you watch Giants games from the last week. Giants aren't a bottom team anymore and Pepiinero is growing into a great midlaner. And honestly, NA scene is the last place you should be looking at, if you want to decide if something's good/bad. And if you hate EU scene because hurr durr NA>EU>NA then watch LCK. AP Ez was picked twice already, including one of the yesterday's games.

ponkzyJul 12, 20151 votes

team8 should've won because tsm have no idea how to control objectives and have terrible shotcalling and drafting. tsm lost every single part of that game, and if they won because of ridiculously op ap ez, i would've cried