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Competitive Ruling: Cloud9 Tempest

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We were recently notified that Cloud9 Tempest (C9T) used a player not on their official roster in their final matches of the North American Challenger Series Spring Qualifiers. As a result of our investigation and with the cooperation of the Cloud9 organization, we've discovered the following:
  • Approximately four hours before the start of matches against Team Confound on February 4, Ritchie “Fade” Ngo had not yet begun patching his Tournament Realm account. With lobby check-in approaching and Fade’s client not yet patched, the team chose to have team analyst Tim “Timokiro” Cho play the match himself in the support role rather than forfeit the match. Timokiro logged into Fade’s account and played the matches while impersonating Fade.
  • The team’s substitute player, Jonathan “Grigne” Armao, was not involved in the team’s decision to use a ringer and did not know about the situation.
  • C9T Team manager Danan “Kaniggit” Flander joined the team’s call during their matches and became aware that the team’s analyst was impersonating Fade during the matches. He did not immediately disclose this information to CS officials while the matches were ongoing, and allowed the match to play out with C9T fielding a ringer.
  • Post-game, Kaniggit and the C9T players informed Charlie “Charlie” Lipsie about what had happened. Charlie did not work on C9T in any official capacity but was a member of the Cloud9 organization and encouraged Kaniggit to speak with Cloud9 Team Owner, Jack Etienne. Charlie and Kaniggit escalated the situation through their organization to Etienne, who then volunteered this information to CS officials.

RELEVANT RULES

9.1 Unfair Play The following actions will be considered unfair play and will be subject to penalties at the discretion of CS officials:
  • Ringing. Playing under another player’s account or soliciting, inducing, encouraging or directing someone else to play under another player’s account. (9.1.1.6)

RULING

C9T has violated rule 9.1.1.6 of the CS ruleset and will be subject to penalties.

COMPETITION PENALTIES

  • C9T is disqualified from the Challenger Series for the Spring 2015 Split. Team Confound is awarded the game victory and wins the berth into the Challenger Series 2015 Spring Split.
  • Colin “Solo” Earnest, Anthony “Hard” Barkhovtsev, David “Yusui” Bloomquist, Benjamin “LOD” deMunck, Ritchie “Fade” Ngo, and Tim “Timokiro” Cho are suspended from all Riot-sponsored League of Legends competition until the 2015 Summer Split.
  • Danan “Kaniggit” Flander is suspended from all Riot-sponsored League of Legends competition, including the LCS and Challenger Series, until the 2015 Summer Split.
  • Cloud9 is suspended from sponsoring a Challenger team until the 2015 Summer Split.

CONTEXT

Was This A Patching Issue? Though players are responsible for making sure they’re in the lobby on time for their matches, we always encourage players with technical issues to reach out to CS officials. Teams competing in the Round 2 of the Spring 2015 CS Qualifiers, including C9T, were reminded last Sunday that they would need to patch their tournament clients. They were then reminded once more on Monday. C9T played its games against Team Confound on Wednesday. At no point did any member of C9T come to CS officials to discuss technical problems or ask for assistance. Why Isn’t Anyone Getting Fined? Because C9T has been disqualified from the Challenger Series, they are not entitled to any prize money. They now have have no winnings to be fined against. We believe that prohibiting the Cloud9 organization from picking up another Challenger Series team for the duration of this split is sufficient punishment. Why Are The Players Being Penalized? We understand that a team with technical issues just before a game starts may be tempted to use any means necessary to avoid disqualification. That said, the best course of action is never to cheat against an opposing team. Ringing is a serious offense. It misleads opponents who have prepared for the match, it circumvents roster rules meant to create a fair playing field, and breaks trust with fans and the league. Based on our investigation, including conversations with the C9T players, we believe the players’ decision to use a ringer at the eleventh hour rather than risk disqualification was a serious lapse in judgment. All of the C9T players collectively agreed to use a ringer and concealed that fact while the matches were taking place: as a result, all of the players are receiving the same penalty. While the C9T players and organization committed a serious offense, the fact that the players came clean within their own organization after the match and the organization cooperated fully with CS officials investigating the matter was a significant consideration. As a result, a one split ban is sufficiently severe to penalize their misconduct, while still allowing them to plan for a future within the Challenger league. Above all, we hope that this incident drives home the value of honesty and transparency on the part of teams and players. In the end, cheating is never worth it. Why Isn’t Charlie Being Penalized? Charlie does not have an official position on C9T. When he was told that C9T used a ringer during its match by Kaniggit, he elevated the situation through his organization to C9T’s sponsor, Jack Etienne. While we would have preferred he come forward to CS officials immediately, we don’t feel it is unreasonable that a member of an organization would inform his organization’s owner about suspected misconduct before coming to CS officials, provided CS officials are still informed shortly thereafter. Upon being informed about C9T’s misconduct from Kaniggit and Charlie, Etienne immediately contacted CS officials and disclosed what had happened. Given these facts, Charlie will not be penalized. Why Is Kaniggit Being Penalized? Kaniggit is the team manager for C9T. When Kaniggit joined C9T’s team call during their CS Qualifiers match and became aware that they were using a ringer, he should have immediately informed CS officials. Though Kaniggit did not encourage C9T to use a ringer, as an authority figure and manager on the team, he had a responsibility to stop the misconduct as it was happening. His failure to do is why he is being punished. Why Is Cloud9 Being Penalized? After investigating this matter, we have found no evidence to indicate that C9 management encouraged the C9T players to use a ringer prior to the matches in question. That said, in failing to keep proper oversight over their manager Kaniggit, C9 bears responsibility for not preventing its team from cheating in a competitive match. As a result, we are prohibiting the Cloud9 organization from sponsoring a Challenger team until the Summer 2015 Split.

29 Comments

TrollFan0110 votes

Damn C9T why did you have to wait to patch? Do that before. Better luck next time and congrats to Team Confound.

Bramble Berry10 votes

They didn't. The TR client is known to be extremely problematic and buggy and has hurt Challenger players in the past. It wasn't a matter of "them forgetting", the client crashed and due to Riot's timer rules, they would have been disqualified for telling them anyway because the client wouldn't have been fixed in time.

DotEleven14 votes

It's still the players fault for waiting so long to patch his client. If he had tried to earlier, he would've known his client was gonna have problems, he could've asked for help, and none of this would've happened. While being reminded, there is NO reason they should not have patched their clients earlier just to make sure SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.

Omega Pudding9 votes

Here's the thing, on multiple occurrences players have come forward talking about the instability of the tournament realm client. Now, either a) they are all just salty because they "forgot" to patch their client or b) there really is a problem with the client that causes these issues. Next, let's look at some stuff we do know: forfeitures due to one or more players failing to connect to these challenger series play-in games seems to occur on a fairly regular basis. Next, WE as peon players know from posts on the forums, reddit, or even from personal experience that the regular client can have serious issues when patching. Next, while we don't know that there are ever 'patching' issues on the LCS LAN, there have been client crashes requiring restarts, visual and audio problems (typically hardware rather than software I'll concede that) and even recently, auto attacks not registering in game. Given all of this information, it is not unreasonable to infer that case b) could be true.

As such, if it really is an issue with the client itself (i.e. Riot is actually at fault) and you would still get penalized by this with a forfeiture, I can definitely see where using a "ringer" is a favorable option. At least in that case your disqualification would be in your control rather than in Riot's.

NeoDeimos9 votes

If you know that the patcher has regular problems, then it's YOUR fault if you start patching too late. It's like dropping your suit off at a dry cleaning place that you know is slow, just 2 hours before an important job interview. Doesn't matter if they're slow, it's YOUR fault for waiting until the last minute when you've been given plenty of warning.

TsujiKaze11 votes

They mention that they reminded players 3 DAYS prior that they need to patch their clients and also again 2 days before the match. They had 3 days to do so and see if there was an issue with the patching. Sure, it's very plausible to believe that it wasn't the players fault for "forgetting" and that there was an issue with the client, but if there was an issue with patching they had PLENTY of time to contact Riot or CS officials about problems with patching and they probably would not have gotten penalized with a forfeiture.

DPRK Rammus Ram5 votes

If case B was the issue they could have simply contacted riot for a delay of game due to technical issues coming from a bug in the tournament realm.

KSHarrison2 votes

You mean congrats to TSM. They just picked up Team Confound as their new challenger team. The irony :)

UasPUWNw158 votes

Stupiest ruling have seen in my life

Summoner 516 votes

Coming from a CLG fan

Xinis1 votes

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh shots fired

39fZrqyWbC8 votes

TACTICAL NUKE DETECTED

nezumi onna1 votes

and you're using a CLG icon too. why so contradicting?

C9 TinyRick6 votes

i like to see that the cs and lcs regard honesty of players and teams or rather dishonesty there in as a serious violation. if fans and players want to see esports grow in legitimacy the players and organizations have to be honest with their fans great ruling. Also its not like C9T is gone forever looking forward to seeing what they can do in the summer split

Bramble Berry4 votes

How fucking hypocritical. The players would have been screwed either way knowing how the client works and Riot's past approach to this stuff in the Challenger scene. Your own faulty client put them in this position, but of course Riot themselves establish that they would have totally helped out and all would have been fine if they had been approached. Historically that's not the case. The most hilarious part, you're punishing the organisation for the actions of their employee RIGHT AFTER THE MYM CASE. SERIOUSLY. Multiple individuals, CEO included in that affair but they get a tiny fine instead. Anything that might make Riot look bad gets swept under the rug regardless of the players. Really paving the way for esports there.

DotEleven8 votes

Yeah, Riot would have helped and it would have been fine if the guy had just tried patching earlier, instead he waited till the last minute and screwed not only himself, but his entire team. You can't blame Riot for his poor planning.

Fusionskraftwerk4 votes

As mentioned very often, they've been told to patch 3 days before the tournament took place. That's quite a long time. But instead of trying to patch he waited. When Riot informed them again at the next day, he still chose to wait. If he had started patching earlier, he would have been able to inform Riot, and they would have been able to react. But instead he just waited, which clearly isn't Riot's fault.

And about MYM: Please proof that their CEO was involved. And please, don't say just "Skype Logs", but quote from where you can see that. And if you quote, quote correctly, not just a part that has a different meaning than the complete text. Thank you.

Bouldery4 votes

Azingy used Requiem. It was super-effective.

JohnnyTwobags3 votes

What bothers me most here is why there was a need for C9T to "cheat" in the first place. Either a) It seems like a pretty dumbass rule (if it is one) that they can't just announce "player X is unavailable, player Y will be playing instead" any time before the start of the game - in any other sport you can. Or b) they didn't have a single registered substitute available to step in, which is chronic mismanagement for a supposedly professional outfit.

Either situation is more worrying for the legitimacy of the sport, than the dishonesty involved.

Sairoh1 votes

can't just announce "player X is unavailable, player Y will be playing instead"

This wasn't the case. The guy logged in as someone else. It's called ringing and it's Illegal to play other people's account

Gloriousknight2 votes

Wait you forgot about punishing riot games for not overseeing that cloud9 had proper oversight over the person overseeing C9T

Balareon2 votes

Well actually the teams are independent organizations. Many of these teams spread across multiple different professional games and have teams in many different esports, meaning that Riot does not actually have oversight of them. They are independent of Riot and are not overseen by them, but Riot can still punish them of course because Riot runs the tournaments, leagues, and game that some of their teams participate in.

donteatstaples2 votes

dw lod still has his trist porn

ShmeckleMancer1 votes

So what does this mean for the spring split? Does team confound inherit their record? Is this going into effect this weekend?

Hornswoggling1 votes

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Fletcher Night1 votes

Honestly I'm getting really tired of seeing these competitive ruling posts. I am a huge fan of the LCS and CS, i wish teams would just obey the rules but I also wish that they would have an environment suited for for that condition.

SAU Fox1 votes

Wow this is insane i feel the should have not Penalized c9 just c9T

CreativePickle1 votes

:( poor C9T item 3070 why did u have to do this to yourself?

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