While not belittling their solid performance of the past weekend, i can't quite convince myself it had nothing to do with Udyr's state in 6.3
UPDATE: Well it seems they can't cheese more than 1 game in a tournament format.
TheSequelsRBad5 votesA little. But still when your team beats their only 2 rivals for best team in NA in one week, fans are going to get excited.
It was a solid performance by CLG, let their fans enjoy it.
iamleburk2 votesThere is nothing wrong with enjoying your team's success, but a lot of people take this shit too far. Every time a team does well, all their fans get so stupidly defensive about it. This is the first time I have ever seen CLG fans reach the level of TSM fans.
The best way to tell is watch how they respond to when an analyst offers criticism of that team. They just rabidly defend their team acting like the team has no flaws and that the analyst is completely out of line for daring to criticize their favorite team. It's extremely childish to say the least.
darkmatchwaldo5 votesThey used Udyr and Fiora to choke them out on the map. They outplayed them in the macro game and draft select and heavily deserve the praise for beating the undefeated IMT squad. They went after IMT strong side, Huni and Reignover and still won. They didn't play the classic CLG laneswap and the casters were even questioning their decision not to laneswap. They had a gameplan and executed it against arguably the best team in NA. I'd say that deserves some recognition.
Ale non è male4 votesIt puzzles me how people are either too high or to low on CLG It is unfair to attribute their wins only to them abusing splitpush strategy and Udyr pick. They have been good throughout the entire season, and I don't understand who try to diminish that. they have shown good consistency and macro play for the NA scene, which was one of the key reason why they beat IMT while other teams failed to hold on their early lead vs them
They haven't suddenly become super good either after those 2 wins, either, I'd still rank them in a toss-up with TSM for 3rd best team in NA. It is undeniable that it is doubtful if their team, especialy Darshan and Xmithie, can perform at this week level not only in NA, but also when projected at international level because of team's intrinsec limitations talent wise
Earl Eulrich2 votesto befair...as Udyr is mechanically not that hard it might in fact have suited Xmithy - though that really is nothing that can take away from his makro game. I still think it had been impressive, but rather one-dimensional (also, the game vs C9 really had been far from clean)...so international they currently cannot aim for anything, it´ll end the same as worlds - teams fall to them, figure out how to beat the one strategy and send them out in groups, so yea..right now there´s no reason to hype them other than that they definitly are a top 3 NA team and can actually win the playoffs if they keep improving.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesHow do you feel about that comment with the current results of IEM. Especially the you can't attribute their wins to split push part.
Kinjishi1 votesCLG (top 3 NA team) losing to Fnatic (middle of the pack EU team) at IEM is a stark reminder of 2015 Worlds. Well done by Fnatic. CLG has a very long way to go (if they want to).
xJLx MCHammer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Yasu Yoru,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uPA88174,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2016-03-06T02:00:51.802+0000)
CLG (top 3 NA team) losing to Fnatic (middle of the pack EU team) at IEM is a stark reminder of 2015 Worlds. Well done by Fnatic. CLG has a very long way to go (if they want to).
That's like saying TSM which is not even top 5 beat Origen Anyways, it seems the entire CLG strategy was about Xsmithie playing a champion like Udyr.
Kinjishi1 votes"That's like saying TSM which is not even top 5 beat Origen" TSM is 4th in NA this spring split. http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/na-lcs/na_2016_spring/standings/default
Further, you don't even read things, do you? Talking about a comparison to 2015 Worlds for how CLG and FNC did (they didn't play each other in groups, talking about individual performance at Worlds). If you want to talk about TSM, they were smashed at Worlds by Origen in groups (different line-ups, but it still happened). Origen this spring without xPeke has been a mere ghost of a team.
http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/worlds/world_championship_2015/standings/round_robin
Ale non è male1 votesHow do you feel about that comment with the current results of IEM. Especially the you can't attribute their wins to split push part.
That their win in NA aren't only due to splitpush strategy. They are also due to the consistency and macro advantage vs NA teams Once the macro advantage got neutralized, it showed the team limitations talent wise vs the best teams - and FNC potentially are one when they put their shit together -
Virgin Ray3 votesI mean they beat IMT, something only they did this split.
RG Velean11 votesBut they beat them not because they were a better team, but because of the power behind Udyr and Fiora. They simply just tanked them to death. In the interview after, Darshawn said that they proved that they were the best team in the LCS now, which is greatly false. IMT are still the best team, they just got outdrafted this weekend.
qetzel2 votesThe draft phase is an important part of the game though. ou could have a team with much better support staff, much better mechanics, much better in game planning, better map rotations etc etc but if they can't pick a decent comp (particularly against a team like CLG who rely quite heavily on splitpushing, making it easier) then they won't win.
RG Velean2 votesBut even though CLG out drafted IMT, they still only won due to a back door because they were loosing the game. They were behind in gold and kills. They should've lost if the game went any longer. They had the two strongest champs in the game (Udyr and Fiora) camping Huni during the whole lanning phase. Stixxay and Huhi were trash. Turtle was even able to 1 v 2 Udyr and Ez and still came out on top to score a kill on Afro. CLG are not as good as everyone thinks and IMT are clearly a better team all around. They got lucky, that's what it came down to. Shit, they still almost got pushed off the nexus even after the baron steal.
Lstrike2 votes[{quoted}](name=RG Velean,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uPA88174,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-01T17:37:27.652+0000)
But even though CLG out drafted IMT, they still only won due to a back door because they were loosing the game. They were behind in gold and kills. They should've lost if the game went any longer. They had the two strongest champs in the game (Udyr and Fiora) camping Huni during the whole lanning phase. Stixxay and Huhi were trash. Turtle was even able to 1 v 2 Udyr and Ez and still came out on top to score a kill on Afro. CLG are not as good as everyone thinks and IMT are clearly a better team all around. They got lucky, that's what it came down to. Shit, they still almost got pushed off the nexus even after the baron steal.
ummm.... what? CLG was up 1k gold, 4 towers and 1 dragon when the game ended. In what planet is that losing the game. Sure Wildturtle 1v1ed Stixxay and won.. It was stupid of Stixxay to go toe to toe with a Lucian. I would say the game was even (despite CLG being ahead in gold, dragons and towers) and CLG used their comp better than IMT used theirs. Thats why they won. Not because of luck.
The 2 strongest champs in the game right now are Fiora and Gangplank (not Udyr). If he was really that strong, he would have been 100% pick/ban but he was only picked by Xmithie that entire week in NA.
The only thing I can agree with you is IMT are still a better team than CLG but not by much. But CLG winning aganst IMT is by no means lucky.
Jötunheimr1 votesThe only reason CLG won that game was from split pushing. Hands down the ONLY reason. IMT had better team fights all around the board.
The only reason they were able to split push is because Huni picked Quinn and wasn't able to 1v1 him and Darshawn just pushed Huni off the turret. Shit, Darshawn was able to dive him under the turrets and kill him if he wanted to. If Huni picked someone that was able to 1v1 Fiora, this game would of been IMT's. All they needed to do was hold the Fiora back from getting the turrets and the other 4 would have won the 4v4 team fight. The other 4 on CLG were scared to fight them because they know they couldn't win that fight.
I can guarantee this wont happen again if they ban Fiora and Huni picks someone that is able to 1v1 the person trying to split push.
Lstrike2 votesThe only reason CLG won that game was from split pushing. Hands down the ONLY reason. IMT had better team fights all around the board.
The only reason they were able to split push is because Huni picked Quinn and wasn't able to 1v1 him and Darshawn just pushed Huni off the turret. Shit, Darshawn was able to dive him under the turrets and kill him if he wanted to. If Huni picked someone that was able to 1v1 Fiora, this game would of been IMT's. All they needed to do was hold the Fiora back from getting the turrets and the other 4 would have won the 4v4 team fight. The other 4 on CLG were scared to fight them because they know they couldn't win that fight.
I can guarantee this wont happen again if they ban Fiora and Huni picks someone that is able to 1v1 the person trying to split push.
CLG DID win the game by splitpushing, agreed. But that has been their game plan from the beginning of the split. Why change something that is working.
And its not just fiora. Darshan could have done the same with Jax or some other good split pusher. It is upto Immortals to pick a team comp that can either stop the split push or hard engage the other 4 and win the game from there. They didnt do that. The other poster somehow attributed this to luck and hence my post.
Jötunheimr1 votesAnd once again, CLG would of lost if Huni picked a champ that was able to 1v1 split pushers, other than going Quinn
xJLx MCHammer3 votesAnd once again, CLG would of lost if Huni picked a champ that was able to 1v1 split pushers, other than going Quinn
Hate to tell you this. You sound so stupid Quinn was used as a counterpick against Fiora. In all aspects, huni was supposed to have a huge advantage. in Korea, Quinn IS THE SPLIT PUSHER.
Jötunheimr1 votesBefore you tell me I sound stupid, have some knowledge on what happened in the game, kid. It doesn't matter if Huni picked Quinn to counter Fiora. The fact that he couldn't 1v1 Fiora lost them the game. Their "counter" didn't work. Please, don't reply and say some stupid shit like that again.
dapositiveviking1 votesFiora was picked into quinn btw so counter or not darshan was comfortable/confident enough with fiora's power and splitpush presence to pick into "the split pusher". i guess what it hinges on is whether they were relying on fiora's poqer as a champion or darshan's skill as a duelist eitherway i personally feel like it was a frustrating game to see imt play teamfights exceptionally well late into the game only to be splitpushed to death
(sorry about commenting from sucha long ago post, i've been browsing the esports for good discussions)
Guyy Fieri1 votesThen that means CLG deserved the win because they out drafted IMT. I get that the only reason they won was Darshan's split push but that's exactly what they were going for. That's like saying the only reason Immortals wins is because they win team fights. That's their strategy and if it works then they deserve to win.
Jötunheimr1 votesWell I'm only saying they won not because they split pushed, but because Huni couldn't 1v1 the fiora.
Guyy Fieri1 votesAnd that means they are undeserving of the win?
Jötunheimr1 votesI did not say that?
Maszii1 votesYou do know that the gold lead came from the baron steal :p?
CLG just won cus of Fiora and the endless splitpush, something TSM just failed to do :p.
grimrookzero1 votesclg is not anywhere near the lvl of imt sry its true but it dont matter cause non of them are at a lvl that can win a worlds so who cares
Letter H4 votesThis rings true
CLG did not perform extraordinarily well in term of skirmishes or microplay against IMT, they ended up choking them to death through abusing Fiora's 1v1 potential and Udyr's rotational strength.
If CLG actually is king of NA, which i doubt, they should be able to repeat this feat on 6.4 where Udyr is toned down. Time will tell.
Virgin Ray2 votesThe power of freelo champs.
Helmight1 votesCLG's not a bad team - I think they deserve their #2 spot in the NA LCS - but for them to get placed in A-tier for IEM Katowice? That's just esports writers riding the high from last weekend. I fully expect CLG to lose to Fnatic and Star Horn, both of whom were rated below them.
Maszii1 votesUdyr is still broken ;).
MunchCrunchLunch3 votesbecause so much outlplay when you have a soraka healing your team from behind.
YCitizenSnipsY3 votesMan I had a bunch of people bitch at me when I said that they only won because of split pushing, which is all they can do well in competitive matches. And look at IEM both SKT and FNC absolutely shut down Darshan as a split push threat and they lose with flying colors.
Slamurai Jack3 votesWhen isn't CLG overhyped?
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesMy problem is CLG is that they've won big games one way: Darshan's split push. If you can force him off of a duelist, CLG is infinitely worse. Not just that, they stole Baron right before they won, and not the most convincing steal. I think that, with Baron, IMT easily could have backed and regrouped before Darshan pushed in, and at that point, we have no clue what might happen.
Jungle Lux God2 votesWell, if it was the fault of Udyr wouldn't IMT and C9 just ban it?
Not to mention that C9 and IMT could have first picked the Udyr before CLG got it considering CLG was red side in both games.
LXII2 votesWell, if it was the fault of Udyr wouldn't IMT and C9 just ban it?
Not to mention that C9 and IMT could have first picked the Udyr before CLG got it considering CLG was red side in both games.
People don't generally cheese in LCS matches. Hence nobody else banning or picking Udyr. That being said, every time a team DOES cheese in an LCS match that team is CLG. Still good on them for winning, but to gloat about skill after using cheese solo queue strats to win is a little low.
Jungle Lux God1 votesBut the goal is still to win the game, and players will do anything to win. This is exceptionally true when money is on the line.
Any other team would do a strategy if it was the most optimal strategy to win the game.
Truly Prideful2 votesI want to see them win Bo3 /Bo5's. I don't think a team is going to let them splitpush for 3 wins in a row.
That said, good on them beating IMT.
DestructoDave2 votesMeh, they didnt exactly look super convincing in either win. A lucky walk-in baron steal, a tower dive throw by C9. And, they already lost to both of those teams this same split. Id personally still rank them 3rd behind both IMT and C9. They at least looked better in the IMT game. If not for that failed tower dive, they got severly outplayed the entire c9 game.
They showed a good strategy, which honestly worked decently vs IMT, and failed vs. C9. Even with it working decently vs IMT, you have to credit a walk-in baron steal for sealing up the game, and they were pretty much going to lose that c9 game.
Lugg1 votesThere are so many champions that are OP right now, you really can't just say that it was due to Udyr. Besides, Udyr is one of the most kiteable champs in the game, especially at that level.
I think they deserve the hype since they beat IMT when IMT actually had a pretty good game. CLG just outplayed them on the macro level.
I am loving this year in NA since our teams that make Worlds are actually going to be prepared for international play due to the greater amount of talent and strategies being employed by different teams. I'm not saying we are the favorites yet, but at least we should put up a better game than in the past.
RG Velean1 votesI must be going crazy... You said Udyr is kiteable? You build a Runic Echos, Dead Man's Plate, Frozen Mallet, then activate Bear stance (which gives you increased movement speed plus an on hit stun) PLUS Boots of Swiftness with the Alacrity, (also the ZZ'Rot that Xmithie built) and you have the stickiest and deadliest champion in league next to maybe Xin or Lee Sin.
If you're wondering where I got this build, it is the build that Xmithie used in the game, and a very common Udyr build atm.
Lugg1 votesRunic Echos is getting nerfed next patch, so that will help some. Udyr has NO ranged abilities, so you can definitely kite him down just like a Garen. If you can't kite him though, it's going to be a rough game.
RG Velean1 votesIts true he has no ranged abilities, but he is easily the one of the fastest champs in the game. He has a movement speed buff from his bear stance which also stuns, and the buff is enough to close any gap in a fight. He's not kiteable by any means.
Lugg1 votesAny champ with traps or hard CC can really punish Udyr in most cases. You have to look at it like fighting a bruiser Yi build.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesYes! Why? They found one strategy that works. The thing is, every season they find this one strategy that works well. Last time it was with Doublelift on Tristana and use him to turret push quick to gain gold/exp advantage. They would work around that really well using different champions like Lulu, or Janna..etc. C9 also picked up on it and used it heavily in Worlds. The problem came when people realized key ingredients to make this strategy works...in this case it was Tristana. Once that went away, we all saw what happened.
This new strategy looks goods. Might be a big harder to work with but still
OblivionsMight1 votesclg beating imt was a fluke though next time in finals they will get stomped just watch kid
FrankerX1 votescough we talking about overhyped teams? cough tsm cough let the hate begin cough cough cough
grimrookzero1 votesyou mean cough na and cough eu cause lets be real there all over hyped every year and will not win worlds
FrankerX1 voteswell at least some of them make it to semi finals, thats something. sure in the end its all about winning, but still :D