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rip incarnati0n....
incarnati0n deserved his ban. being toxic is one thing, but Ddosing is crossing the line to commiting a felony. even if hes a great guy with the most positive attitude, he ruined peoples experiences in league and should never be allowed back
As someone above said, Riot should focus on rehabilitating not on punishing the players. This isnt medieval age,you cant just cut someone off and make it an example for others,expecially when he is one of the best players if not the best in euw.
Should Riot pay to have him take classes on how DDoSing is bad? In life, multiple offenses land you in prison for many years, even up to life in prison. They didn't permaban him because he did this once. He was warned and banned multiple times before. People don't seem to realize that permabanning is always the last option.
They already attempted rehabilitation and it didn't work. What makes you think it's going to work for the nth time? By induction I can reasonably assume it's not going to.
Toxicity and DDos'ing people. I fail to see how this could be a "great guy with a positive attitude". He should be glad if he is allowed to spectate a LOL game. Good riddance.
Because when he did it he did not know esports was going to take off the way it did. The way it has gone and the amount of time he spent with the SK organization he probably understand that this is a real job that can earn him a paycheck doing what he enjoys. That's why there's a good chance he will take it seriously.
Coaches who've made a real difference this season? Incarnati0n, that's one. Also unsure why he's permabanned unless Riot endorse punishment over rehabilitation.
Any player who participates in remorseless DDoS should be permabanned. bad behavior can be rehabilitated. cheating, on the otherhand destroys the integrity of a sport. In any sport, if it's revealed that you've cheated to win, you are usually fired and blacklisted from the community.
Maradonna used his hand to score a goal.
And he's a legend in his home country. But that has more to do with the political landscape of that particular world cup (what with England and the Falkland Islands). His winning was a statement, and people considered his "hand of God" to be divine intervention. But everyone knows that he is a coked out weirdo who can't coach and probably shouldn't be allowed near a football stadium again.
Clever use of game mechanics
if you check on his history...he owes the government money...so how is he successful?
He was given warnings, given bans on accounts, and continued his behavior. He was given a chance for rehabilitation, and he blew it real hard.
Poor Incarnati0n. Riot talks about how much coaches have a positive impact on their teams, and you've done just that. RIP Incarnati0n, the best coach SK Gaming ever had.
poor DDoSer you mean?
Everyone keeps crying about DDosers but when it is incarnation being punished they are all like "Poor Incarnati0n".
then why do people hate on the government for owning files? you sure you the best out there? i really hope people like you arent the people making fun of the government and complaining about your privacy rights being violated when you ddos people (ddos=violating other peoples right to privacy)
A permabanned 'coach', and a racist, toxic jungler. I almost feel sorry for them.
This is great! When will coaches be allowed to talk to the team during the game? much like real sports when the coach can communicate with the team.
I am pretty sure that it will not happen and I hope that they will never allow it.
Well in some real sports, like tennis, coaches aren't allowed to talk to the players during the match. So it is not unheard of to have a coach not be able to communicate with a team in game.
Except it is allowed in women's tennis, soccer, basketball, baseball, football, hockey, volleyball, lacrosse, boxing, golf, auto racing, bicycle racing and so on.
Tennis is not a team sport either, there is a large difference in the role of a coach in a team sport and one that is played individually. Coaches for team sports are generally focused on tactical decisions whereas individual sport coaches can only really give execution advice "You should stand one step left receiving a serve, they favor that side" "Keep your elbow up on the backhand"
Tennis, Soccer, Basketball, Baseball, Footbal, Hockey, Volleyball and so on... don't have Fog of War, do they? :)
If a coach can talk during a match, he shouldn't be able to watch the spectator's pov, but his own team only. If he sees what the players see, he can effectively be the play-by-play shotcaller, rather than the strategist, reducing the other 5 player to just 'executors of his will'. The actual format where the coach can talk between matches in a series, offering suggestions and adaptations to enemy strategy is fine, imho.
The thing we can discuss if a coach could or not be allowed to talk during champion selection for picks and bans.
i can see like auto racing and bicycles...but the others kinda hard...cause bikes you need to know if the person is dying during the race haha like do they need to take a break but golf and boxing its like swimmng you ask the coach whats up then go do it and come back for feedback which is what league does currently cause the players are not physically exhausted...they are mentally exhausted where bikes they are physically exhausted to the point where if they dont communicate they might end up in the hostpital golf/boxing the coach is not in a ear piece like biking
Why are people downvoting this? Korean teams have the coaches with them in Champion Select. Why can't other regions have this?
Not true, korean coaches were only allowed into the booth with them during champ select for masters, not ogn
GO ARANEAE
The impact coaches have had this year is insane, think of TSM pre locodoco to now. This is a huge step forward for competitive LOL. I cannot wait to see the level of LCS play rise with this.
"In the meantime, we’d love to hear your thoughts about coaches who’ve made a real difference this season."
Incarnati0n, probably has had a huge impact and contribution towards SK making it to Worlds. But hey, fuck him, right?
Yep, that's pretty much the idea.
Araneae for Fnatic :D
RIP SK
Does this include analyst?
Analysts already get paid and they don't serve on a team.
It would be really nice if riot or someone could offer some invite how to get into coaching and or climbing the coach ladder. I spend more time coaching than playing and this is a great opportunity but it seems impossible to get into coaching unless you are challenger or have the right contacts on the inside
Most of people saying that Incarnati0n shouldn't be able to coach because of cheating (a mistake from the past) have probably cheated already at some point of their lives. Start giving people second chances. Everyone makes mistakes and it's easy to hold a grudge against someone, what's hard is forgiving someone for their errors so try to be a better human being and start trying to give people a chance to redeem themselves.
He had chances. He didn't make a "mistake". He was malicious in his intent and didn't reform when given the chance. And while you think everyone may have "cheated" at some point in their lives, the truth is most people haven't and likely haven't done so to the ridiculously awful extent that he did.
And people who cheat in a professional sport and are considered a public figure will obviously get the harshest punishment as they are examples. I don't really know why people don't understand this. There's no moral grey area when breaking the rules... The good a person does for a team won't protect them if they break rules.
Bad news for TSM sadly, one of my favorite teams but both of the coaches are children when it comes to censorship and being professional. On the plus side, maybe coaches like C9 Charlie will get a bit more recognition.
This is a huge step for LoL and i think Riot should create an official market of coaches/analists in order to teams look on the rigth places.
so all those interview with monte, scarra and loco weren't with coachs why were they shown on the LCS if they weren't recognised?? this seems a way to screw out certain people
What you just said made absolutely zero sense. I'm not sure if that's because you simply didn't have a point, or just your non-existent grasp of the English language coming through however.
I'm really wondering why everyone is having all this talk about Incarnation, saying he should keep being a coach or not. That's actually not in Riot's power to forbid someone (like incarnati0n) to talk to players and give them advices (like the players of SK). They will probably only not recognize him as the official SK coach, and thus give him no money. The situation for him will remain the same as it is now : coaching SK, being paid by the team, but not being official or paid by Riot. Nothing to complain about...
...especially because I think he can still find himself very happy to have an e-sport related job :this is the best definition of second chance, which is not a new first chance, but sthing different, and worst, pretty obviously. But good enough for him when you look at what he's done, and not really apologized for.
He probably won't be allowed backstage either.

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So coaches have to follow rules of sportsman like conduct as well now? Regi and Loco can't shoot their mouths off anymore? Thanks riot!
Why not have a real impact on more players' development (and on ranked 5's especially) - by creating a coaching spec slot (6th man, real time, can only see own team's vision/fog of war) for draft and ranked queues?