SK-Gambit Update

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Summoners, We wanted to share with you a letter we sent to all of the LCS teams describing our decision in regards to the SK-Gambit match from yesterday. We are sharing this to promote transparency in our decision-making process and inform the fans of the LCS of this update to our thinking regarding bugs and remakes. Please find the full text of the letter below: Hello teams, As you likely saw, there was an unfortunate incident yesterday during the SK-Gambit match regarding a champion bug. Because of this incident, we are banning Aatrox from all LCS and Challenger Series competition, commencing immediately. Upon discovering the bug, the disadvantaged team correctly paused and identified the problem, which was easily visible and verifiable upon replay. At this point, the referee should have prompted the disadvantaged team to decide whether they wanted a full game remake or not, but did not. To be clear, this choice will only be offered in the case of a visible and verifiable bug that occurred immediately before the pause; teams will not be allowed to demand a remake significantly after the point where the bug could be determined to be known by the players. This instance met that qualification, and would have resulted in a game remake, had the team known of their ability to request such an event or had the referee asked them directly. Given that the disadvantaged team did pause to identify the bug, but was not properly apprised of their ability to have a remake by the referee on stage, we do not feel that the game was completed under fair conditions. As such, we will be remaking the SK-Gambit game at the conclusion of the LCS matches on Friday, March 28th, and the previous result will be voided. As always, we encourage teams to pause if they believe a game function (including champion ability) is not working as intended. Upon pausing, referees and QA resources will work to confirm the bug. If they are successful in doing so and determine such bug to be of significant impact, the referee will prompt the team who is disadvantaged by the bug to choose whether to remake the game or not. Please note that LCS officials may not be able to reproduce and/or confirm the existence of a bug in all instances; if they cannot, the referee will be empowered to make a decision on whether to offer game remake to the disadvantaged team or not. If the team declines the option to remake, they will not be permitted to request restart for that particular issue for the remainder of the game, nor will we consider a restart after the game has concluded. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to reach out. Thanks,
Nick

159 Comments

SpyderJerusalem107 votes

Honestly, this sucks. I mean, Gambit totally won the game even disregarding the bug. And if there was a bug and it really caused some trouble - the game should be remade IMMEDIATELY. This is like "oh, that goal wasn't counted when it should be, let's replay the game" in hockey/football. Are you kidding? If you want to be a sport - act like it is a sport.

Doxas19 votes

true stroy.

Idir18 votes

The big difference is that it's not a decision that was wrong, it's a part of the game by itself.

If, in a football match, somebody notices that one goal is smaller than the other one, the match has to be replayed. That's the rule. It's not a referee mistake, it's an absolute disadvantage in the game by itself.

Marirouxwana53 votes

And now that SK know that Velkoz isn't very effective, they will pick something stronger and safer, it wont be a remake ... but a whole new game. If you want to remake, force the teams to pick all the same champions, but Darien can pick a new one.

Quayatoo35 votes

They should rly pick the same champion, or wait till they fixed aatrox and play again (with the same champs)

Momenutm47 votes

Also, Darien didn't had THAT much of a impact in the game anyway. Freddy was having advantage entire game, so i dont see the point of this

Marrakoosh10 votes

It's not about the actual bug usage but it's the psychological effect it can have on opposing players if they feel they are being disadvantaged by something unintended and not in their control. Which as it happens, is likely a self-fulfilling prophecy. Player thinks he's at disadvantage thus puts himself at a disadvantage. Having you put on tilt can be tough to take; and sure it happens in other sports but this has come about from a bug not another players actions or plays which cause a player to be frustrated. Right decision by Riot, shame it couldn't have been remade and replayed last night instead,

Piltoverian27 votes

I feel something like not counting the loss for SK would've been better in this situation. A rematch puts Gambit at a (psychological) disadvantage for improper judgement by the refs, which is equally unfair as ignoring the bug for SK imo. Gambit is more likely to perform worse, especially if they redo picks & bans.

EDwarDOG27 votes

Totally agree. Why didn't they stop the match during the pause? Because they knew that is a only 1 level bug which will be gone when darien will place his 3rd point into his W so they thought it's ok and they can win the game anyways.

I was a fan of SK too till now, hate them from now on, hope GMB will stomp them.

EDwarDOG19 votes

Rematch for what, SK Fanboy? You tell us:

Did that bug affected the game's result at all?

EDIT: The ONLY reason why i get upvoted is because this is an UNFAIR decision, btw.

Momenutm11 votes

+1 this

Momenutm28 votes

I dont see how u can be put on tilt when u're constantly keeping Aatrox around 30% of his HP and constantly shoving him under his turret... Also, Diamond never ganked top, while Darien was ganked by SK.

By watching the replay, all i can see is Darien getting bullied and pressured, even killed few times and pretty much bug introduced by his W didn't really had ANY impact on the game, so i still don't see any point of doing a remake. And that's mainly because other lanes including jungle were stomping SK left and right.

I see this just like Riot is giving SK a second chance, where there was no reason for it. Being "fair" or not, bug had no impact on actual gameplay, advantage wise or tactic wise, so its pretty clear that remake shouldn't be happening.

Not here to bash heads, just giving my perspective

EDwarDOG7 votes

They will replay the game today, with Aatrox being disabled.

'Let's just have a game with new picks and bans, that seems fair for Gambit too.'

At least play the game with same champions after you fix Aatrox 's W.

Jurez40 votes

worst decicion in riot histroy

Gerrit28 votes

Honestly, the referee made a mistake by not immediately telling them they could remake the match. Either way, it's not like Aatrox carried that game.. very unsportsmanlike, this remake..

Powerpes25 votes

Yeah sure, the bug was present for like 2 min on TOP lane, every other lane was stomped and those 2 min could not even be game breaking, not to mention, Darien LOST top. So Riot, get your things together. You look stupid and this is just unfair to Gambit as SK gaming will pick advantage. If you want to remake, then force them to pick same champions (except Darien ofc).

Taha Aoki22 votes

The game was a stomp, the Aatrox bug was not game breaking BECAUSE THE GAME WAS A STOMP ...

Piltoverian13 votes

Agreed, SK lost in picks and bans. They tried something new and it backfired. I hope they at least enforce identical picks save for Aatrox. If SK analyzed their game they should still have an advantage over last time.

oFc Noctis21 votes

This is SO FCKING STUPID xD ! seriously the game was a hard stomp, it didn't make the difference at all . One of the worst decision in Riot history and shame to SK if they QQ to riot for a rematch ahah, anyway i don't care of who win the match, but it's still stupid . ( ye my english is pure shit :> )

sparrowlegs18 votes

The Game should not be remade the bug was nothing really important darien lost top lane to freddy122 anyway and it did not really impact the game. If this game is being remade why is the curse game were saint could not put his tibbers down after he flash into a team fight at dragaon?????????????? In that game the tibbers would have impacted the game by stunning the enemy carries and most likely leading to curse gaining an advantage in the game.

Captain Cthulhu6 votes

Very good point there!

Mullok5 votes

in this game nobody can clearly say if this was just a bug or a fail of saint (i think it was a bug but we cant be 100% sure). The rematch is unfair for gambit but it is fair for SK, because what happens if fredy forcing darien more often out of the lane? diamond have to be more often in top lane or they loose towers. So many things that happens in the other lanes could be different. Nobody can say how much this little bug influences the game.

pedrovieira4118 votes

You can't hurt a team to make up for riot's mistakes. It's was an one-sided game, and now you are just giving SK a 2nd chance. Maybe if they loose again, you'll find out another bug to make a rematch until they win. So much hate.

EDwarDOG18 votes

If SK wins, will Gambit have a second chance too?

Uncle Urdnot17 votes

Not fair at all. The whole team carried Darien coz top lane lost and now the result is voided because of him? Did the bug REALLY have a HUGE impact on the result? They took a Vel'Koz supp; they were asking for a whooping!

xOcean17 votes

This is such a horrible decision. I don't think that the early game aatrox bug is what led Gambit to secure all dragons and barons in the game. This game was a steam roll and this is a terrible decision for a company who want to promote esports in a competitive light.

Right now is march madness for ncaa basketball and there are calls made and missed at the end of games that decide entire season for a squad. However, you dont see the ncaa saying that a gem needs to be replayed. By going back on this victory for gambit after the fact sadly shows that this is nowhere near become a true competitive sport anytime soon.

IS163ad83753fa4316 votes

WTF this is retarded Aatrox

Pink Floyd Sound13 votes

It's ok. Losers will always try to tear the win from winners. (Even though Alex_Ich's Orianna destroyed LeBlanc, while Edward with Genja pwned SK on botomt lane.) Shame on you, SK. You discredited yourself as a team.

Pharaun11 votes

Worst decision in Riot's history and I don't doubt it's only because it's SK-gaming, they used to do shit like that back in the day in counter-strike trying to sway the organisers. Rematch is complete bullshit as Gambit stomped them on every lane except on that one. Lost my respect for LCS cause this can change the final standings if gambit were to lose now, and I can't even imagine how it feels for them to replay a game after such a small issue. I imagine they are pretty pissed and don't even want to play this game. Imagine Barcelona - Real Madrid or any match being replayed because of a referee mistake and that is exactly what this was. This is why e-sports still lags behind real sports because bullshit like this is allowed to go trough.

lerdanPROgosu10 votes

Riot make them play again because Gambits are Russians. 100%

Voow9 votes

If a referee in another sport makes a mistake e.g. football, soccer it's not as if the team which is unfortunate gets a chance to have a rematch.

sperify9 votes

it has nothing to do with that bug being abused or getting an advantage because of, rules say when u find a "gamebreaking bug" that theoretically can have an impact result of the match its stated that a remake should happend, SK did not do anything wrong here, they did what everyone should and will do when they see a bug ingame, only mistake that has happend here is that referee didnt follow what rules has stated incase of this happend

2 inch wonderboy9 votes

Very dissapointed Riot. Very unsportsmanlike... You didn't stop for the Annie bug with team Curse. Then don't stop for this one either, it's a little bug and it didn't affect the game at all... He "lost" hes lane too..

Pink Floyd Sound8 votes

SK picked Vel'Koz support, lost bot lane. And now they know that it was a bad decision. So they'll pick something different and safer\stronger. If you want a remake, make the same picks and bans except for top laners. It will be fair enough

Th0ma37 votes

Thats lame Gambit would have win anyway

GeniusBug5 votes

So hm... Disabled in LCS and Challenger Series, but we still can play with the bugged champ? Why not disable him overall?

Agidyne5 votes

from the Official Rule Set of the LCS

"8.3.3 Finality of Judgement. If a referee makes an incorrect judgment during a match, the judgment cannot be reversed, as the decision of the referee is absolute and final there is no appeal process."

Makkabi4 votes

What was the bug actually?

Dangertitz2 votes

Aatrox was healing on every two hits from his W instead of three. think Fredy122 was pissed about it as it pretty much negated reneks advantage

Momenutm6 votes

actually no, he was keeping darien constantly bellow 30-40% health and pushed under his turret, which u can see by watching replay.

G4RD1EN4 votes

Annie body can link a yt video or something ? or what time is the bug Vi sible ? during the match ?

Channing Tatum4 votes

What about that time Saint bugged with Annie and didnt manage to summoner 4 tibbers over wall?

OG Hoelic4 votes

Riot games, please read this article.

http://gambit-gaming.com/en/article/311

ibosen4 votes

gg riot destroy your own game such retards

Zarpedøn4 votes

Special treatment for SK ? ok, Please up my account to Diamond 5 and it will be ok. Oh wait ? Only if i play for Sk, that's sad. Ty Riot for the worst decision ever.

Elype4 votes

Riot, can you give a formation to your referee? I mean, they have nothing to do, except to know the game... They can just ask to Darien to switch W one time and it was over...

One more thing, if Gambit Gaming loose the first time, should you remake the game?

[ Sorry for my english ]

Isádia3 votes

so do they get to repick? i think it would be fair if they had the same picks except aatrox.

Xafilah3 votes

The only way this would be fair is if they had all the same champions except for Atrox..

patate des mers3 votes

That's just funny, imagine, at a tennis tournament, two players have to play a match again because one of them had a problem with his hand or back.. Just... You want to be considered like a sport? Then act like a sport. Thank you riot, now I'm done watching LCS, this is just disgusting me

m1Mezzy2 votes

This is just bad decisionmaking from Riot, they are breaking their own LCS rules, and they are fucking up Gambit. Darien even lost his lane, he was behind in CS etc even with that bug. And yet SK's mid and bot lost hard. And then you guys remake it. That's just bad.

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